German Shepherd Dog > Asko von der Lutter (94 replies)
by ramgsd on 22 April 2011 - 21:53
|No problem November. Just trying to help. Hope everything goes well with him. It's just where I'm from, if your dog runs up and jumps on another dog and either dog gets bit the dog that intiated it is put down. No questions. So that "He thinks (off the leash) that he has to spend 30 seconds whipping ass, then he steps back like "hey, wanna be friends?" could end up with the other dog bitting your dog and you'll still be the one looseing your dog with 1 phone call.|
As a matter of fact here on the PDB not long ago there was a simmilar thread about this happening @ a dog park and the people had to put down their dog. I'd hate to see that happen.
Again good luck.
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 22:09
|Did I not say its only happened twice? Did I not say I'm just now getting to working with him off the leash? Did I not say I have a very limited amount of time to work with my dogs?|
Maybe if you were a little more tactful it might have occurred to you to say it was a lack of training in that area and I needed to focus on that rather than insulting me by saying its an owner issue.
My dogs have a greater range of freedom than most and THAT is the perameter I'll train within, for better or for worse, and I ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel my dogs any time I'm not in the yard with them. If they can't behave themselves in my absence, theyre not really accepting my training and they need more training. Period.
by ramgsd on 22 April 2011 - 22:22
|Sorry you took it as a personal afront. But since you want to take it that way...|
"its only happened twice?"----Shouldn't have happened the 1st time let alone twice.
"Did I not say I'm just now getting to working with him off the leash? Did I not say I have a very limited amount of time to work with my dogs?"----THE DOG'S 3YRS OLD. About time don't you think?
"My dogs have a greater range of freedom than most and THAT is the perameter I'll train within, for better or for worse, and I ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel my dogs any time I'm not in the yard with them."------ SO you've decided to let the run loose. At least you are taking responsibility for them getting hurt or any trouble they get into during that greater range.
This is what makes owning GSD's so hard for those of us who try to do it right.
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 22:39
|Well, smartass, my dogs live in a 40' x 60 pen with a 10' x 30 attachment that I open at times. I also bought my dog at 1 yr of age. Do you think maybe I spent the first year working on deconditioning him against fear of humans and not cowering every time a voice was raised near him? Aside from rebuilding confidence and self-esteem I also spent the first year on leash and basic obedience training. Now, I'm getting to off-leash training.|
Maybe if you asked some questions on the situation rather than making an attack, automatically assuming I'm some dipshit who thinks his dog is supposed to be his buddy whoresponds to "Honey, please" this whole issue could have been avoided. But no, you're an expert who's influence over his dog only extends to the range of his eyesight. Thank you so much.
by ramgsd on 22 April 2011 - 22:57
|SO you don't "ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel" your dogs. 40 x 60 pen = large kennel. SO you bought a 1yr old dog with major issues, That you obviously didn't know how to fix. Now you've spent 2yrs training and you can't keep him from jumping on other dogs? Still doesn't explain how you've allowed this to happen, not once, but twice. If you could trust the dog this never would have happened. Particularly not 2x. Until you had proofed him off leash with other distractions why would you have him with other dogs while off leash? As for your comment "you're an expert who's influence over his dog only extends to the range of his eyesight." NO, that's what the long down under distraction is supposed to show. Although if I had a dog that came with major man made issues I would certainly keep him in my sight and under control when other dogs were around. I sure hope you have gotten a good trainer involved with the dog because the more you post the less it sounds like you know what you're doing.|
Can't believe I let myself get pulled back in.... Some people have NO CLUE.
DONE, NO MORE, NADDA
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 23:08
|I don't do schutzhund. I don't have the time. I work full time. I go to college full time. Am I getting through to you? Why is he off the lead with other dogs? Gee, I don't know. Maybe training. Maybe conditioning. Maybe because you can spend days in the country and never see another person.|
So far as problems I don't know how to fix, I'd trust the dog ANYWHERE UNLEASHED in the back of my truck and he goes all over the place with me. I trust him with adults. I trust him with children, I trust him with passersby and canines passing by and even cats passing by and I don't think twice about it. But then again, I'm just an inept moron who doesn't know anything.
by Big Brad on 22 April 2011 - 23:26
|I've been following this a bit but I'm getting confussed. Noverbergrey in one post you talk about being in a residential area. Then in another you're in rural America? Both these examples happened when you were at training? Not too mention that you stated that your dog was attacked on three seperate occasions? Was this at training? You work full time and go to school full time yet you thought you would have the time to take in and rehabilitate a dog with big issues? Seems to me that you need to take a step back and keep this poor dog away from everything or you're just going to get him in worse shape than he came to you in.|
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 23:45
|Actually Brad, I live in an area about 850 sq. miles and a population of 17,000. Currently I live in a town with maybe 100 people about 8 miles outside the county seat which has a whopping 4200. I often exercise my dogs on the back roads and you don't ever know just exactly when some farm dog is going to pop out from behind a corn crib, or somebody's lab is going to charge out while you're passing a house. Dogs around here either get hidden away in someone's house or on a farm that may be 3 or 4 miles from the nearest house. The nearest dog park is probably 200 miles away and people here don't generally leash or pen their dogs unless they're in town.|
Actually Danko is doing great. People come up and pet him all the time and I get endless compliments on how beautiful, obedient and well behaved my dogs are. He's made a LOT of progress and I'm really proud of him and myself for what I accomplished with him. I have four and two rat terriers. I'm very well known around here as "that guy with the german shepherds". However, Danko's training isn't complete. He was only my second GSD even though I've had dogs all my life. But I still maintain that in comparison to my older dog, he's just a little immature. But training just takes time. Unfortunately, time isn't something I've always got and he is being trained for the environment in which he lives : the back roads, the woods, the lake and so on. He's never going anywhere. Never. He'll be a country hick's dog until the day he dies. And with time he'll get the rules down just like my old female did and just like my two young females did and like my ratty female did and with a little more work so will my ratty male, but it takes time and thought and then a little practice on top of that.
by YogieBear on 22 April 2011 - 23:48
|Troublix and Heiko thanks - he is awesome----|
November - get over it------------GSD world is small - and everybody has an opinion............just move on..............this is internet and - unless you know somebody personally - it is just talk..............move on.............if you know him............break his nose at training................but leave it on the field...........if you know him/her............
by troublelinx on 23 April 2011 - 00:28
|What does any of this have to do with Asko?|
I know that I am ADD but I am just not making the connection here
by YogieBear on 23 April 2011 - 00:40
|What they are saying has nothing to do with Asko----------they need to move on = some sort of personal thing..............|
by novembergray on 23 April 2011 - 00:41
|I just said that I thought my dog Danko was a little slow maturing. He's an Asko grandson|
by novembergray on 23 April 2011 - 00:46
|Yogi: This thread was only my second post. I've read a lot here over the last three years but I never posted or even joined until a few months ago. Nothing personal here. I just didn't appreciate someone acting like I'm some DS newbie who doesn't know JS|
So far as schutzhund, I don't think there's any redemption for Danko. He was sold to me as a washout and, besides, my road lies elsewhere. And to be honest about it, when I got Danko I didn't know what I was getting so far as training and all that. I just knew I was getting a GSD with a good bill of health. He's been challenging but he's been fun and he also got me into high grade GSDs.
And I will say that Danko was so much more pleasant to work with than my first, an American back yard bred bitch. With Danko and the other two dogs I got from Nate Harves, a daughter of Sunshadow's Caine and Facka z Vysneho, and the new girl Baja vom Basaltkopf, when you establish your place its only tested in a regular, stable and secure way whereas my old bitch is a nag who never throws in the towel. High grades rock!
by novembergray on 23 April 2011 - 00:49
Great grandson rather
And Brad, maybe I'm a little naive, but it didn't really seem that I needed professional help to recondition a dog with issues. I changed his name for the time, called him a variation of his name (you never use a dog's name negatively so they don't associate it negatively) had it out with him one day in the street, worked on building his self image with negative reinforcement for a week followed by positive reinforcement for a week and thereafter, gave him plenty of exercise, plenty of leash work and praise for every little thing he did right. It was a three month process. Then I began exposing him to people slowly in my presence and then slowly moved to meeting people in my absence. He's a totally different dog and aside from this lack of work in off-leash training, he's great. lts as simple as 1-2-3. Just basic psychology....... and dogs are so much more simple than people.
by steve1 on 23 April 2011 - 06:44
|Asko Line is much thought after in Germany. We cannot all say it is down to the Handler of the dog The dog plays an equal if not more part in it.|
Gentices will always come forewards at the highest level of any thing in my opinion.
It takes two to Tango the female could or not be so great in many cases of breeding with any dog.
I am looking for a Pup well was, mind made up now but the Male was mated to some Females which were not up to the standard i look for,
Then someone mentioned Orry, 3 times WUSV champion and with two different handlers taking him to the worlds shows the dog must have it in him to work, blood tells no question about that
I did take a look at the current list of Dogs which bred from 2000 to 2005 and how many they had produced and the ratio of KKL1 and KKL2 were in the lists from the breedings of the Males
but then it is a different thing.
Asko was not mentioned in that list