German Shepherd Dog > Asko von der Lutter (94 replies)
by shrabe on 06 January 2011 - 16:14
|I have an Asko granddaughter here is a link to her http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/550573.html|
As far as what I have experienced with her she has great attention to the handler, she is a little handler sensitive, but not timid, if that makes any sense. She has a super nose for tracking, high prey drive with an edge of aggression. Super hunt drives, but can also be stubborn and even willful at times. She LOVES to work, and she has an intensity about her that is difficult to describe, and man does she have hops. Her nickname because of it is "Kangarink". She is very smart as well, problem solving almost, it is quite creepy sometimes! LOL I have to say all in all I am in love with her! <3
by johan77 on 06 January 2011 - 16:36
| Is fast normal the same as HD B in the FCI system, if not he obviously produced good hips. Asko had 4 different litters in sweden, 22 dogs, 19 x-rayed for hips and 4 of them graded as HD C, the rest free which is about 21% HD free in that smaller sample. Elbows was 17 x-rayed and 3 remarks of ED1, which is the same as fast normal I belive, a bit higer compared to the chart below.|
But what about his offspring, there should be some that have been used for more than a few litters. I´m only aware of quincy v waldwinkel that have more than a few litters but I guess there are more? For having so many offspring I guess a few of them are competing in BSP is not so strange, as I said there are other studs that have maybe 1/4 of the offspring asko had but still have more than a few offspring in WUSV, either directly from the first generation or 2-3 generations back.
by von Harasymtzuk on 06 January 2011 - 17:56
|I have an Asko Lutter granddaughter, and she is a good dog, she's my favorite...she has great nerves, she's very friendly, but I trust her as a protection dog...if I had to walk through bad neighborhoods at night, I'd take her...took her a while to grow up, late bloomer type. Her sire was a good dog, He, and most of his littermates have gone to the LGA , BSP a few times, and they produce their quality so by looking at just what I have I like having Asko in her bloodlines, but he had been bred to a Yoshy daughter too. A lot of people put the most faith in the sire, I think the dam plays a part and should be looked at as well.|
That's just an opinion.
by judron55 on 06 January 2011 - 18:13
|The Kennel Staatsmacht was one of the last kennels to breed to Asko....there L litter is pretty nice...!|
by myret on 06 January 2011 - 20:10
|I have seen some pretty good Asko children and grand children they all seem too have alot of drive like the kennel Staatsmacht kennel L-litter|
by tenmon on 06 January 2011 - 23:18
|I'm just jumping into this thread without reading the volume of writings above. I'm quite sure someone has made this observation, but.... |
I just finished looking at the first top 5 finishers at the recent WUSV in Sevillia and all I can say is that the common denominator in all the dogs was Fero. Hands down and no rub on Asko. Just my observation. One can take it one step further to add Orry in the mix. Of course Yoshy being in line of Fero, he is prominent in many German and Dutch current breedings along with Grif because of the Pike inclusion. I know all you DDR lovers out there are hoping your lines would show, but even the one that had some DDR blood in it, I think that was Gonrad, had the Fero line in there big time!
I did not scrutinized all their pedigrees for any Asko link, if there were some....my bad!
by grimmdog on 07 January 2011 - 01:49
|I credit much of what my male's overall makeup is, to Asko von der Lutter. ( SG1 Stuka vom Enckhausen SchH3, IPO3, FH, Kkl1, HOT. ) I also credit him with some other great dogs that have been on US soil. Some of which were highly under-used, in my opinion, in breeding programs. |
I have researched him very much, as well as his offspring, through various female lines. I have seen many common stamp type behaviors and drive characteristics that I associate with Asko blood. I have personally seen and worked multiple Asko progeny both here and in Germany, and liked them very much. I have personally spoken to people who worked and/or knew Asko firsthand, or handled his progeny in the BSP, or knew his father and mother. I also was lucky enough to have extensive conversation with his handler Werner Hubner in the tent at the Bundessiegerprufung one recent year.
Asko von der Lutter was an amazing dog. Stable temperament. High drive. Clear head. Speed. Grips. All drives present with nothing "made" through training. Health. Hip production. Ability to handle pressure. This dog was social when he needed to be and had aggression when he needed to be. And he was intelligent enough to know when for each. One thing to keep in mind, this was not a flavor of the month dog used by internet idiots listening to other internet idiots...this dog got breedings from knowledgeable kennels and individuals, for several, several years, right up until he died at almost 15 years of age. This was not mass breeding over 2 years, this was a steady flow of calculated, successful, and proven breedings from a dog that earned his respect in all he did.
Pia did a great breeding with him, I believe the last before he passed. Hi Pia :)
by darylehret on 07 January 2011 - 02:56
|In his offspring, did you notice what you would call "slow to mature" or any other "cons" you would want to compensate for?|
by novembergray on 21 April 2011 - 17:58
|I have dog sired by Nate's Stuka that I bought as a companion for my GSD, potentially to breed. I don't claim to be a professional handler/breeder or anything like that, but Danko is an awesome dog. He's amazingly loyal, runs like the wind, swims like a fish and his ball drive is insane. So is his dominant streak. He has no problem being the leader of my little pack and helping me with discipline when needed. I call him my enforcer but he knows who calls the shots.|
The only issue I have with him is he wants to demonstrate to any canine outsider that he's dominant. He thinks (off the leash) that he has to spend 30 seconds whipping ass, then he steps back like "hey, wanna be friends?" I think he's intimidating to a lot of dogs that aren't well socialized and he feels that and acts on it. However, he's never been aggressive with the intent to harm. Personally, I think at nearly 3 years of age he should have outgrown that behavior by now. On the leash he's fine. And with people he's fine. So I think maybe yes, despite all the exercise and play I give him, he might be a little slow to mature.
Don't get me wrong. Danko rocks!!! Easily the best dog I ever had.
by ramgsd on 21 April 2011 - 18:45
|Novembergrey.... Your dog isn't having a maturity issue. He's having an owner issue. He is finding fulfilment in bullying these other dogs. So why should he quit? You say he's not like that on leash, just off. So you need to work on your off leash obedience and stop him from this behavior. It's going to get you and your dog into trouble. One day he's going to run into the wrong dog that won't put up with it and you'll have a dog fight on your hands. Depending on the laws you may have to put the dog down. You definately will be paying the other persons vet bills. Just a bad situation to continually allow your dog to get into. Hope this helps. I never want to see someone loose their dog.|
by novembergray on 21 April 2011 - 21:21
|Well, as I said, I'm new to this, living and learning. There have been dogs that he wasn't like that with. As a matter of fact this has only happened twice and as I stated, its never been a vicious attack, just on and over that quick and not due to my intervention. At the same time he's been attacked by other dogs 3 times to which he didn't respond due to his training and a couple others in which he just came up and sniffed butt. For lack of evidence I would dispute what you're saying. There are only so many opportunities for hands on training in a residential area and I'd further state that the majority of dogs that are encountered in those circumstances ARE dogs that haven't been socialized at if, if they have ever even been exposed to another canine at all. Furthermore, I have 5 other dogs and none of them behave in a similar manner.|
Thanks for your advice, though. I'll take it into account.
by novembergray on 21 April 2011 - 21:35
|I mean, I know Ramgsd, the work with a dog is ongoing but around here there's only so much room for working with other people. There's the dog down the street that craps and pees in everyone's yard and acts like he owns the street, the ABD that carries on and strains at his leash at every dog that walks by, the two dogs that attack every vehicle that passes by, my GFs dog who growls every time a dog gets within 10 feet of her and the neighbors lab who obviously gets abused. I don't know how the rest of the world is, but around here it doesn't seem so cut and dried. Its rural America|
by troublelinx on 22 April 2011 - 01:48
|Have had him, sometimes throws small size dogs|
Small meaning 35 pounds
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 13:25
|Well Danko doesn't do that. As a matter of fact, my two rat terriers share the pen with him. I've had him 1 1/2 years and I'm just now getting to walking him off the leash. Training might be going slowly but between working full time and school full time my dogs can only get part of my time..... a part that's needed elsewhere, but they take priority.|
by YogieBear on 22 April 2011 - 13:53
|I have a great grandson out of Asko - He has been slow to mature in regards to his body size (meaning growing into his feet)- but not in the head. He is clearheaded, eager to please and has drive out the wazoo - he also is a great grand son to Aly, Nick and Gottiff. |
He is awesome dog on whoever he took after - don't know enough about Aly or Gottiff to say who he got what from... Here is his pedigree.
by heiko1 on 22 April 2011 - 16:18
|I have a 8 month Asko grandson, have only had him about a week. So far he shows good drive, good nerves, and he's social. We are in the process of getting to know each other, but so far I really like him.|
by ramgsd on 22 April 2011 - 20:58
|November, you said "There are only so many opportunities for hands on training in a residential area" what does that mean? I've taken dogs from nothing to schutzhund titles in a residential area. So far you've been lucky. He's not run into the wrong dog. All the finger pointing at how the neighbors dogs act will do nothing when a fight does happen. You control your training. If you can't trust your dog off leash he shouldn't be off leash. Why is he comming into contact with other dogs? Have these been planned meetings that you're trying to control? Instead of hi-jacking this thread any further feel free to PM me so I understand you better.|
by troublelinx on 22 April 2011 - 21:14
I like him
by heiko1 on 22 April 2011 - 21:20
|Yup, nice dogie Yogie.|
by novembergray on 22 April 2011 - 21:38
|No need to PM ram, I think you're just trying to start shit. Maybe you didn't read my posts. I think they're fully explanatory.|