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Video of Personal Protection Dog by Am Virk on 19 December 2010 - 04:54 |
| Here is a video of one our stud dogs in his early days of personal protection. www.youtube.com/watch Am Virk www.blacklionkennels.ca/ |
Am Virk by Don Corleone on 19 December 2010 - 05:10 |
| Please explain why you send your PP dog on a fleeing person? Didn't he already do his job? What if his buddy is still around your rv and you just sent your dog to chase a fleeing person? |
Don Corleone by SitasMom on 19 December 2010 - 06:05 |
What different areas does a dog need to be trained in to be considered a personal protection dog? |
by buckeyefan gsd on 19 December 2010 - 15:30 |
| what is the point of this video? i really dont know much about training for PP but this was nothing impressive as far as i could tell my pet will bite a sleeve someone is running with. and i would also agree that a personal protection dog is worthless when it is 50 yards from you. so again what was the point of this video? also what is the ped of this "stud dog"? |
buckeyefan gsd by sable59 on 19 December 2010 - 17:44 |
| have a stranger yo yhe dog advance with a hidden sleeve and send your dog if he is aggressive towards you.send us a video of this. see if you might have a protection dog. any dog i have will chase someone when they run. i had a yorkie that would. |
by Slamdunc on 19 December 2010 - 18:22 |
| I wouldn't call that PP training. I'm also not sure what Sable59 is saying? I assume you mean if the stranger is aggressive to the handler, not the dog being aggressive to the handler? have a stranger yo yhe dog advance with a hidden sleeve and send your dog if he is aggressive towards you.send us a video of this. Jim |
Slamdunc by Felloffher on 19 December 2010 - 18:52 |
| Most attackers aren't carrying a shutzhund stick, it might be a good idea to train a PPD without one. It cue's the dog just like a sleeve or suit would. Looks like a decent dog. |
Felloffher by ronin on 19 December 2010 - 20:28 |
| To be fair, most of us started down the same route when we came to dogs, thats if you weren't lucky enough to come from an environment where working dogs were part of your every day life. He's brave to post the clip, which is rubbish BUT he's not really suggesting its anything else HOWEVER the responses need to be more constructive, there are few on here who know about genuine personal protection, and some who know about training dogs. (note the difference) The stick is a cue, yes but also a tool to be varied, replaced with a flag, fog horn, water can, box or the subject wearing a motorcycle helmet etc. lots of variety in the equipment, locations, cars, times of day and of course covert sleeves, leg bites .In effect you are teaching the dog to fight not bite. Personally I think the trainer/helper is the key here. A Police K9 possesses different qualities to a PPD. I have seen strong KNPV dogs that a stranger could go and take out of the van, and seasoned venomous K9's that would let a stranger into there garden. Why because there world of engagement/experiences is so different. Not a general rule but examples, and of course they could be trained differently. I don't think you need a socially balanced, confident dog. A PPD can be forgiven many vices, it should be a little edgy to be vigilant, doesn't need much prey drive, or balanced drives even. People apply Secret Service Rin Tin Tin Standards to these dogs as ultimate bodyguards; going for the weapon hand knowing a handicapped teenager from a drug induced one, its all pie in the sky. Its hard work training a PPD, and you can't do it alone or quickly. Once all this has been achieved the Handler needs to learn how and when to use such a dog. Do you keep the dog next to you or send him? Ronin |
ronin by Felloffher on 19 December 2010 - 21:43 |
| I don't think you need a socially balanced, confident dog. A PPD can be forgiven many vices, it should be a little edgy to be vigilant, doesn't need much prey drive, or balanced drives even. People apply Secret Service Rin Tin Tin Standards to these dogs as ultimate bodyguards; going for the weapon hand knowing a handicapped teenager from a drug induced one, its all pie in the sky. Its hard work training a PPD, and you can't do it alone or quickly. IMO a PPD that's not social and lacks confidence is a liability to others and the handler. Again IMO a PPD must be capable and comfortable going any place the handler takes it. The dog must be alert and able to engage on command or if the handler is attacked, but it shouldn't be needlessly barking or trying to attack people. A dog lacking confidence is a dog that may turn and run if the stakes are to high, if it engages at all. Low standards in dog selection allows some vendors to pass off dogs that look real to the buyer, but are too nervy and unstable to get the job done. |
by Platz752 on 19 December 2010 - 21:52 |
| Dog is working in prey? Hope the real life attacker is very animated otherwise the dog will not be interested to engage! |
Platz752 by faq2 on 20 December 2010 - 03:14 |
| ppd? lmao |
by Am Virk on 20 December 2010 - 05:10 |
| Whoa, well I should of titled the thread Early Training in Personal Protection. Like I stated before it was a video done early in his training. It was only a training excercise. Am Virk www.blacklionkennels.ca/ |
by Pirates Lair on 20 December 2010 - 06:18 |
| ronin - Please explain; A PPD can be forgiven many vices What dog, Schutzhund, French Ring, PSD, PPD or family pet, can or should be forgiven Any vices? What, in your mind is a forgivable vice? Kim |
Pirates Lair by Pirates Lair on 20 December 2010 - 06:59 |
| If anyone is interested in what a PPD is (IMO) please PM or e-mail me and I will provide some videos of our work. Kim |
by Pirates Lair on 20 December 2010 - 08:54 |
| Am Virk Just out of curiosity, you said - well I should of titled the thread Early Training in Personal Protection. Like I stated before it was a video done early in his training. It was only a training excercise. The video you posted appears to have an adult (3-4 yr. GSD) how old is/was the dog in the video -at the time the video was taken.....and at what age do you begin training your Personal Protection Dogs? Just curious thanks Kim |
by ronin on 20 December 2010 - 15:36 |
| Vices is the wrong word, short comings might be better! |
by Pirates Lair on 20 December 2010 - 16:27 |
| Interesting concept ronin, how many PPD's have you trained? |
by ronin on 20 December 2010 - 19:53 |
| Never trained a PPD Pirate, my over view is as an end user, I deal with violent crowds, mental patients, concealed criminals and protecting VIPs etc. I lead a team, and will deploy the K9's in response to the situation or tactical plan. I have a lot of experience of Personal Protection and using dogs, seeing them fail easy jobs and excel at the impossible, which impacts on me there and then, and at the later debrief where I am scrutinized by the Bosses who weren't there. I am giving a different view of personal protection and dogs used to protect, as this seems to be a rather grey area. I have a lot of experience with High Risk Domestic Violence Victims and this is how I perceive one of these dogs being used. How many dogs have you trained Pirate? and have you any real world experiences you can share? Ronin |
by Ace952 on 20 December 2010 - 20:13 |
| Pirate....are your videos the same as the last one's you posted I think a month ago or are they new one's? |
Ace952 by frankm205 on 20 December 2010 - 22:09 |
| Just wondering after viewing this video how old this dog is? You said you are in the early stages of his training and this I believe. I think you need to back up the training a bit and start building confidence in this dog. It appears that he is biting down the sleeve towards the hand which is a sign of avoidance. Perhaps if you back up a bit and start building the bite and grip a little more. It appears that as the fight goes on the dog starts to loose confidence. Work on targeting and and confidence building for a while. only my opinion Nice looking dog , good luck. |
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