German Shepherd Dog > workingline best new stud (641 replies)
by OGBS on 02 January 2011 - 06:11
Is there a video you can show us of your dog with "extreme drive"?
I am guessing you are talking about your dog Hutch? (Maybe I am wrong)
He is a nice breeding on paper, but, I know a lot of people (and train with them) that have dogs that are linebred on Yoschy. We don't consider them "extreme". We just call them dogs.
"Extreme drive" is a nice term used by breeders to sell puppies.
Oh, you may want to proofread your web site before you call out others on things like punctuation or grammar. I hope that you do realize that "workingline" is not a word. Some of your sentences need a little work also. They don't make sense.
by eichenluft on 02 January 2011 - 06:17
|thanks shepherdpal - yes if you get the right dog, with the right breeding, from the right breeder, your dog should be able to do everything you mentioned, very well!|
Daryl - you mention doing one thing 25X being not so impressive. Ok, but you fail to consider doing that one thing (Schh3) under 25 different judges, on 25 different fields, in 25 different trials, with 50 different trial helpers - and 19 of these (Schh3 titles) being National and Regional level), and one of these (Schh3 titles) qualifying us (myself and that one dog) for a WORLD team! And also fails to consider that this was only ONE of the SEVERAL dogs that I have titled - how about FIVE dogs from ZERO to Schh3 titled (and National level with all of them) - and two others to Schh1 titled - all but two of these from my own breeding program, and all but two of these raised by myself from puppy? eh? Oh and that doesn't include the AKC obedience and tracking titles, the MANY FH and FH2 titles (on multiple dogs) including several National FH Championships, and even a National FH Champion title! Which is where all the points accumulated - not just from one insignificant and boring 25X Schh3 dog - that I EARNED the bronze, silver, gold and MASTERS GOLD sports medals from UScA. Oh yeah and then the little bitty insignificant narcotics and cadaver detection certifications that I earned on two different dogs from my breeding.
Ah, but enough about me - what about you? Anything at all under your belt that would convince anyone that you know what you are talking about from experience and not "armchair expert"? NO???? I thought not......
by eichenluft on 02 January 2011 - 06:33
Daryl you obviously haven't been around enough working dogs to know what extreme drives are. I guarantee you the dog on the end of the leash you are holding isn't anything close to extreme drive. But you can put your money where your mouth is - make some video of your "extreme" drive dog, and share it.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 02 January 2011 - 06:45
I would not even bother with a litter that looked like that. They look wormy with their swollen bellies, and I would have to walk away.
I do not care whose litter that was, this isn't even an attack on molly. Not a good example of what I would like to see.
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 07:50
|OGBS, if you agree that "extreme drive" means hectic and hyper, unsuitable to be within the home, unsafe around children and small animals, then NO, he's "just a dog". Please post your "just a dog" so that we can compare. It's so nice you had time to study my website for spelling and grammar, although I assure you that my use of "workingline" is purely intentional.|
by eichenluft on 02 January 2011 - 08:19
|Spinning again Daryl - spinning for drama's sake. I did not say extreme drives = hectic and hyper. But keep on spinning Daryl - that is a sign of poor nerve strength too that should be avoided.|
Did you say what you have done with any dog from your breeding program - or any dog at all, to make anything you say believable? And, really would love to see a video of your "extreme drive" dog too. Let's see it! Can't wait.
Jeff, the litter had just eaten - no worms. But, whatever you say, from all of your experience LOL
by Jeff Oehlsen on 02 January 2011 - 09:01
|Wormy or just fed, they looked like pets to me. Not anything I would want to see. Especially the one puppy walking after the rag. No thanks.|
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 13:29
Um....YES....you DID. That's the subject of this whole paragraph, and it appears to me that's exactly what you've equated it with, with or without punctuation. What do you think we've been debating for the last page? At least you're not denying the "danger to children and small animals" part.
by eichenluft on 02 January 2011 - 13:54
|No Daryl, I didn't. Hectic, hyper OR extreme - again, you are spinning what I write into what you want to hear, I guess.|
Jeff, the puppies in the start of that video are only 6 weeks old. The officers and trainers who were there for the "testing" were pretty impressed, as was I, with their slow-motion attempts LOL - the same puppies are on the same video less than a week later - and on the second video, same puppies a week after that. You know, when the officers came back to test them again at 8 weeks? Because, 6 weeks is too young to assess anything but cuteness? You know that, right???? Maybe you don't, so now you do know. 6 weeks is too young to test anything but cuteness - and these puppies did far more than 6 week old puppies should have - surprise! pretty impressive puppies to do what they did at that age.
Nice puppies, according to everyone but you. So that's ok with me since I couldn't care less what you think of them. And, they were all (but one) sold into working homes where their owners are thrilled with them so far - kept one for myself, thrilled so far with her. Pathetic Jeff and Daryl who have nothing to offer except badmouthing and spinning, to any thread. Go out and do something with your dogs, gentlemen - maybe you will learn something from experience that you can talk about.
Jeff, do you think your Esko has high drives? Or even medium drives? I haven't seen a video yet that convinces me he's more than a pet. Do you think he is? It's one thing to see 6 week old puppies who just ate a big meal, stumbling after a tug that they can't even see clearly yet - and an adult dog that is practically walking after the ball in training (and training a guarding exercise for a ball) - Pathetic. Appears he has enough drive to be trainable, so that's a good thing. But at least you show the videos - what about your dog Daryl? Let's see your extreme-drive dog. Even bigmouth Jeff doesn't claim his medium-drive dog has extreme drives.
by steve1 on 02 January 2011 - 15:20
|Yes, and where does Vito come from, The great TOM of course|
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 16:05
A whole paragraph about levels of drive that you prefer, and you just arbitrarily toss in "hectic or hyper".
You're kidding, right?! AAAAAAAhahahhahahahahha!
How about some 6 week old cuteness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5uLKOtN1qQ
by sueincc on 02 January 2011 - 16:12
|This may be nothing but semantics. Perhaps everyone needs to explain what they see as the difference between an extreme dog and a correct high drive dog? One person's example of an "extreme" dog may be another person's example of a "correct high drive" dog, no?|
by duke1965 on 02 January 2011 - 16:22
|daryll , would this be medium balldrive , average , or super ,according to your standarts|
by sueincc on 02 January 2011 - 16:40
|This is where we have a problem in definitions, there isn't a working dog dictionary, so we don't come from a common frame of reference.|
From my point of view, hyper has nothing to do with drive state, it's the kind of dog that simply can't settle in the house, constantly pacing, those kinds of behaviours.
Hectic is totally different, not related to drive state. A hectic dog loses his mind easily, you can see this on the track, for example. A high drive dog on the track will pull hard, the work with this dog is to get him to go at a correct pace, but his attention to the task at hand is intense. A hectic dog will start getting herky jerky, raise his head, caste about from side to side, etc..
As far the difference between an extreme drive dog and a high drive dog, it depends who you are talking to, again a problem of no real definition.
If someone could provide a video showing what they think is the difference between a high drive correct dog and an extreme dog it would be really helpful.
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 16:41
|duke, that dog does a summersault or rollover 10% of the time after the retrieve, picking up a mouthful of dirt as well. A casual toss was thrown in order to not bring him too high for the demonstration. Sometimes the toy's a bit much, and this dog works fine with only praise. He can also settle perfectly fine, and safe around kids and small animals.|
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 16:48
|Don't forget the "many" drives, each with the potential of being exhibited on an extreme level. Toy, food, prey, hunt, defense, pack.....|
by duke1965 on 02 January 2011 - 17:11
|sure , but how would you define the balldrive in the clip|
Ill give you one of my dogs too , same question , do you think her balldrive is average , medium , super or else
by Jeff Oehlsen on 02 January 2011 - 17:12
| Quote: Because, 6 weeks is too young to assess anything but cuteness?|
Yet they were there for some reason.
I have no idea why you cannot asses anything but cuteness from 6 week old pups.
Quote: (and training a guarding exercise for a ball) - Pathetic.
Yes, pathetic would describe your knowledge in ringsport. I am sure that you think you know better than all those clueless people who actually train the sport. Of course you think it is a "guarding" exercise.
Quote: Nice puppies, according to everyone but you. So that's ok with me since I couldn't care less what you think of them. And, they were all (but one) sold into working homes where their owners are thrilled with them so far - kept one for myself, thrilled so far with her.
Like I said, you love your doorknobs.
by darylehret on 02 January 2011 - 17:34
|duke, my video's intent was to demonstrate the dog's promptness and attentiveness to the handler, despite the handler's bland enthusiasm, but not "ball drive". Your video demonstrates possessiveness to me, not ball drive. My young girl is much the same, determined to stay on, and would drop her toy only to seize a different toy from another unwilling dog. She likes to "take" and play keepaway, the thrill of persuit and being persued, than for the actual object itself.|
by duke1965 on 02 January 2011 - 17:42
|how hard can it be to get your view on a simple thing like balldrive|
so are you saying my bitch is possesive but has low balldrive
what about hutch , on possesive and balldrive??