German Shepherd Dog > male vs female for ppd (19 replies)
male vs female for ppd
by happytogo on 12 December 2010 - 01:09
| I am just looking for opinions as to whether you feel a male is a better prospect for a personal protection dog or a female. I know it all depends on the dog, the breeding and the drive but I was just looking for opinions on everyones preference and why?|
a parole officer contacted me wanting a puppy to train as a ppd dog because an unknown parolee's ransacked her house etc...
by alboe2009 on 12 December 2010 - 03:20
|Two things; And I'm not exactly sure you understood what you typed. (no attitude, I'm being nice).|
IMO the sex alone has no bearing on the prospect. And second, take a look how much time will pass before the pup will actually engage?
The P.O., she needs to tighten the screws!
by Rik on 12 December 2010 - 04:10
|It's just what you prefer. In 30 years, I prefer females. |
But that is just me. I have only owned 2 males in this time. My female is in her run tonight because she is in heat and bleeding all over the home. Happens twice a year. Males are in heat year long..
Choose the sex you prefer. Both are good.
by happytogo on 12 December 2010 - 04:13
|the reason I asked is several people I have encountered in the area that work with ppd, policework, sar work are dead set against using females no matter how well they can do the job. I was just curious, that is why I asked if other people had the same ideas.|
by alboe2009 on 12 December 2010 - 04:21
|What are their reasons, if any? Heats and pregnancies? |
by unclemick on 12 December 2010 - 13:42
|Many people feel that females just "don't have it" when it comes to personal protection. Plenty of examples that show they are wrong. I like females myself. They just seem to be easier to deal with after they mature. Of course this doesn't hold true in all cases.|
by sable59 on 12 December 2010 - 16:58
|I ALWAYS KEEP A FEMALE AS MY PERSONEL FRIEND. DON'T ANYONE DOUBT THAT THEY WON'T STAND THEIR GROUND AND NOT RETREAT. A BAD MISTAKE IF THEY DO. A FEMALE IS EASIER TO HANDLE . THIS IS ONLY MY HUMBLE OPINION.|
by micheleambernick on 12 December 2010 - 17:08
|I prefer a male. reason 1... Males that I have owned really bonds to me ( I am a woman) and yes the rest of the family. 2... My males all made great personal protection dogs 3...a Female goes through 2 heats per year during that time their personality changes a bit during that time. I think we will have different opinions on this matter. One more things about my males they just have the look I like the bigger head and of course taller and better built than a female. theses are just my personal opinions and not the way to pick out your pup/dog.|
by Rik on 12 December 2010 - 17:34
|A close friend of mine has a a very "high" bred Am. s/l female. I have known this dog for several years. She is very submissive to people and I would have never considered her capable of any form of protection in the real world.|
My friend has a terminal illness and is prescribed strong narcotics. An extended family of his broke into his house to steal these drugs. This dog that I had always considered useless as a GSD, with no training at all, attacked the intruder, brought blood and held him in the kitchen until LEO arrived.
anyway, sex has no bearing on the worth of the dog. Choose what you prefer and learn to deal with the issues.
by ziegenfarm on 13 December 2010 - 01:20
|agreed. sex alone is not the deciding factor.|
p.s. anyone who thinks "females don't have it" has never been on the business end of a
really pissed off bitch.
by Ace952 on 13 December 2010 - 01:56
|Ziegen.....im with you. Sex isn't a factor as training and the dog itself and most importantly your bond with the dog Females that I have seen in person are pretty nasty. If rather have a pissed off bitch than a upset male.|
by Gemini on 13 December 2010 - 22:08
|From the different posts seems sex can be a factor if the handler believes it and that seems to cause a lack of confidence and probably a trick down affect. |
by GSDeuce on 16 December 2010 - 00:10
|Althought I don't have a PPD, I would pick a male over a female if I were in the market for one. I have a male GSD and I wouldn't trade him for a female anyday. It's all personal preference.|
by nanu on 16 December 2010 - 20:29
|p.s. anyone who thinks "females don't have it" has never been on the business end of a |
really pissed off bitch.
This is worth repeating! Wow, Some think the male dog just because he is "male looking" automatically means he is the better protection dog. I used to keep a massive, territorial GS female at a front kennel when the "boys only" crowd came through just to throw them a curve. Great fun.
It is the individual dog. Forget about gender. My question for any potential buyer is " Are you or trainer experienced?"
And if someone is going to break into a house/apt - one dog is not always the answer but two is a force.
by ronin on 16 December 2010 - 22:44
|The female may fit into this persons lifestyle better, smaller, less intimidating to her, easy to handle, cheaper to feed. After all we are taking about a dog to serve a purpose and protect someone.|
Whilst I have some big Rotts and GSDs I have always figured that when I am in my 70's I will own a tenacious little bitch to to deal with any unpleasantness.
Very good point about buying a pup, training and imprinting it for several years in the hope it may be up to the job. I would consider paying someone with knowledge to find me the raw product (older dog) in the SHELTERS and then spend the money on some decent training. Cost wise it should work out the same, obviously tell her about the dog defending her master is mostly Walt Disney stuff and you have to put the hard work in.
First rule of comedy; don't be sloppy with your personal details or you may have to live with the consequences. I am sure that scumbag won't tell anyone else where she lives!
by gsdlvr2 on 16 December 2010 - 23:28
| The intact male has the testosterone going for him, the bitch has the "mother bear" thing going for her. A male will often be more vigilant in scanning the perimeter, the bitch may be more laid back but will fight to the death. Many people believe the male is better. I know of a police dept., who I won't mention in particular, who used to swear by the males and males only, up until in the litter they bred had all the males flunk out. The female excelled. The officers now swear by a good female. This was a RCMP dept. and they are very picky about the level of their dogs.|
My opinion is still judge the individual dog. Test it and prove it. Both sexes can excel and both can fail. As stated above there is something to the deterrent effect of a strong looking male. A male / female team would be the best IMO. Teach the dog proper targeting no matter what sex you get.
by seltenruhe on 17 December 2010 - 04:51
|With my experience with my own gsd's, my females would do the job (and one has)just as good or better than my males, with the exception of one female. I have one female that I am not sure would get off her bed for anybody until she had all of her beauty sleep.|
by BoCRon on 17 December 2010 - 19:36
|My personal preference is female. Hell hath no fury and all that . We have 6 GSDs 5 are male, the lone female is only 6 months old currently and is my husband's dog. In the last 20 years or so, there have been a couple of dogs that we would always make sure were out and loose if we went out and left the kids home alone. Always a bitch, now looking back. Now that we don't have an adult trained bitch in the house, my teenage daughter is instructed to make sure that my husband's import male Fritz is loose in the house with her at all times if we are out. He is one of those with a very intense look and bark that will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up LOL.|
I currently have a deposit on a bitch pup that was born last week. I currently have a 14mo male that I'm working but he just doesn't have the umph that I'm accustomed to. He is a great house dog and sounds like a big ferocious nightmare, but is kind of a teddy bear at heart. I'm not sure that anyone could ever piss him off enough to get him to "really" bite.
I don't know that you can say one or the other is always the best decision, like someone else said, I think part of it is the handler's personal confidence level that the dog will step up. With me, it seems like my girls have a bit more attitude and the boys are kind of lovey dovey. I'm sure a big part of that is my vibe and how I work with them. I tend to baby my boys more, the sappy looks they give me just seem to inspire that in me, whereas the girls I treat more like we are a couple of bitches out to show the world what we can do . Even my husband has commented how differently bitches work for me than him versus the males, so there is that.
by Rik on 17 December 2010 - 20:59
|I much prefer females and have only owned 3 or 4 males in 30 years. But that is just my personal preference and nothing to do with ability.|
Oddly enough, the times I feel a dog acted in protection of my family, it was a male. One a Doberman and the other a Bouvier.
The dobe stopped my young daughter within a couple of steps from a very large rattle snake and raised hell until I got there. On another occasion, my wife was stopped in traffic when a man opened the door and attempted to enter the car. The dobe went everywhere with her and was asleep in the back. She screamed and all hell broke loose. The guy got away but it could have been a very different story without the dog.
The Bouvier also acted in a couple of situations, but they were not as serious as these.
again, it will be the dog, not the sex,
by frankm205 on 17 December 2010 - 21:40
|I prefer a male only because I dont want to deal with the heat cycles. Sometimes a bitch can get quirky around that time.|