German Shepherd Dog > UScA respect from WUSV (64 replies)
by Bob McKown on 15 November 2010 - 17:13
Your so obviously talented and keen eyed for judging for heavens sakes why arent you a world class judge? or a top flight world competitor?.
I guess the old adage applies here " those that do, do, those that don,t, teach!"
by Phil Behun on 15 November 2010 - 18:15
|Nope, too old to start and too many things planned for the business here. Gotta have the right dog to be competitive. Just lost my 2 males that were my competition dogs last month. Got a young one out of my breeding that may be able to do some good things,,,,time will tell.|
by Bob McKown on 15 November 2010 - 18:18
Sorry to hear you lost two dogs last month, And good luck with the young dog. If I want to learn more about competition I certainly won,t learn it here on the net. I,ll learn it at my club and competition,s and from those that trial.
by loureed on 22 November 2010 - 17:54
|For some people this isn't a "hobby"...this is how some Schutzhund people make their living. Therefore, when people are getting scores they don't deserve, it actually hurts those who make their living this way...by training dogs, competing, and helping people whose "hobby" it is. If it was a "hobby" to everyone, well I guess the judging wouldn't matter so much, however, it isn't fair to anyone when points aren't taken off when they should be because of who you are or who you know.|
by Phil Behun on 22 November 2010 - 19:34
by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 00:39
|A pro has no reason to worry about scores because to them it,s all about money and that is the problem in a nut shell to many "pro,s" sort of speak. To many "pro,s" arm chair quarter backing(judgeing) to many "pro,s" are the real problem in orginizations. |
How many "Pro,s" does it take to train a dog???............ All of them because if you ask any one of them all the others are doing it wrong cause there not "pro,s"...
by Phil Behun on 23 November 2010 - 00:40
|So, let me get this straight Bob, you're directly insulting me and my chosen profession correct? BTW genius, if your little avatar is a spoof on Dr. Evil,,,your hand is facing the wrong direction.|
That's what makes this "pro" good at what he does,,,,,,,,,he notices things that others don't.
by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 00:56
I,m not insulting any one but the lame excuse that because someone got a better score then they should of is pretty school yard for a adult don,t you think.
When I competed in the Martial arts and taught I would on occasion have a student complain that during Kumata or forms some body would get a score they did,nt deserve or the judge liked so and so better then me and it,s not fair.
My answer was always the same Don,t worry about what so and so did or got or what judge liked who. Do the best you can and let your ability speak for it,s self. Some times the judging breaks for them and some time it will break for you... It,s the way of the world.
Ability over attitude always shows the best.
The only thing I compete against is the last score in my score book.
Sorry about the pose,I guess i,m not "pro" enough to notice. Thanks for the critque. Was there a fee involved? lot me know what your pay pal account # is.
by Phil Behun on 23 November 2010 - 01:02
|Would that be kumite or kata?|
by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 01:15
Either spelling is proper depending on your studies history. Kata is generally used in Traditional forms competition Forms generally used in a mixed competition again either is proper.
Soft style Chinese forms.
Traditional Japanese Kata.
Hyung also refers to specific forms.
by sueincc on 23 November 2010 - 14:39
loureed if you are suggesting the scores were purposely slanted I hope you have some proof, otherwise to coin a phrase from dear old Phil, stop blowing smoke up peoples asses. Judging is subjective, the judge does not have the advantage of watching a video tape, and no judge will ever make all the people happy all the time. I wish I had a dollar for every person who complains about a score (too high or too low) from every trial (WDA, DVG, USA, AWDF, FCI, WUSV) because I would be rich beyond my wildest imagination.
by loureed on 23 November 2010 - 15:42
|Judging IS subjective, BUT should only be done is gray areas. When an exercise is say 3 points and you're dog does not do that exercise than no points should be given...that CANNOT be subjective. So you mean to tell me when others and more than one sees the obvious...the judge just didn't see it???|
by loureed on 23 November 2010 - 15:48
it's not about money with ALLof the trainers.....putting food on the table, pretty close minded of you.
by sueincc on 23 November 2010 - 16:07
|What I'm saying is mistakes are made and people have differences in opinions, but unless you have proof that the judging was political or the judge is inept (I don't know which is worse) it comes off as nothing more than sour grapes. Yes, I agree, there were some scores that were not totally earned and points that were not taken that should have been. BUT this is all the way down the line, and NOT just with the big players. In fact in some places the scores were generous with people who are new and not big names, and in some places with some very big names the pencil was much sharper than with the others, and the scores were lower accordingly. That's the way the cookie crumbles, it's frustrating and sucks but I don't think it's politically motivated, at least it's not, on a conscious level. |
If judging is politically motivated, or if our judges are totally inept and out of touch, then we need to get rid of those judges, no question, but first it must be proven, otherwise it just sounds like barking and sour grapes on a very public message board, and fair or not, reflects poorly on the poster, right?
by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 16:30
by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 16:31
|Sorry, double post|
by Christopher Smith on 23 November 2010 - 18:11
|The rules say that trials serve two purposes. One is to determine the dog's suitability for a particular use. And the other is to maintain the health and working ability of working dogs. the rules do not say that trials are there to support professional endeavors. |
IMO, if the sport has to bend or change it should ALWAYS be in favor of the hobbyist. They are the backbone of the sport and the breed clubs.
by judron55 on 23 November 2010 - 18:28
|judging dogs is similar to officiating any sport! Interpretation is paramount....strike zones.....goal tending....in/out of bounds in football. Only difference is we don't have instant replay. Most judges are fine and do thier best!|
by Phil Behun on 24 November 2010 - 02:05
|Yep and I enjoy watching pickup football so much more than the NFL. Personally I would much rather learn law from a guy who watched every episode of Law & Order over a Professor of Law at Harvard University. I'd feel so much safer having a guy with a Chilton's manual working on my car instead of the head of Jimmie Johnson's pit crew.|
by sueincc on 24 November 2010 - 02:30
|Personally I don't want the rules bent for me just because I'm not a pro, and to do so would make me feel I was being patronized, it's condescending, I think. Perhaps I am missing the point?|