German Shepherd Dog > UScA respect from WUSV (64 replies)
by habanaro on 10 November 2010 - 20:21
Explain to me where in my post where I stated that we should show any preferential treatment.
Lighten up and enjoy your life
by Phil Behun on 10 November 2010 - 21:41
|If in fact the dog "missed" the escape bite, the exercise is to be terminated and scored as "dog did not engage". For a long time a painted line was drawn at the opposite end of where the escape was to be taking place, if the helper reached that line before the dog gripped, exercise over, phase over, dog did not engage. Especially at a National Championship.|
by Unknown on 10 November 2010 - 21:46
|That is not what happened Phil. The dog got 2 teeth on the elbow, let go, and then regripped all before the 20 pace mark.|
by HOT Mal on 11 November 2010 - 16:53
by Phil Behun on 11 November 2010 - 17:36
|I see at best 88 pts. First off, National Championship. Second, blind search was too wide and the dog looked only in blind #4. Third the obvious bad grip on the escape, bad,,,,,just bad. Fourth, dog does not sit on the shut down. Fifth, distance on the back transport is incorrect and dog forges. Sixth, dog doesn't sit on the shut down or the side position or the presentation to the judge. Seventh, handler grabs dog before set up for the long bite and "corrects" him to sit. (SchHIII is not allowed to control dog by collar, exercise over) Eighth, dog does not sit on the shut down or the side position or the presentation to the judge. Ninth, all grips were short but one. 88 pts. at a National would have been a gift, probably more like low 80's. No freakin' way 94.|
by Christopher Smith on 11 November 2010 - 18:45
|Phil you missed the two out commands on the escape. |
by Phil Behun on 11 November 2010 - 18:54
|I didn't get any volume,,,,,,,,,,,,sorry. Lord, I apologize, I'll be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea,,,,,,,,,|
That would be 3 points right there. Were we trying to make the event look better than it actually was?? Agenda?
by faq2 on 12 November 2010 - 01:45
|i would guess to say that dog showed on sun. and there pencils were dull. But that explains why the scores were what they were! what a joke. A blind man can see where UScA is headed...|
by Phil Behun on 13 November 2010 - 03:28
|Apparently everyone is in agreement|
by MAINLYMAX on 13 November 2010 - 15:55
|Last 2009WUSV. Vincenzo, withdrew way to far in the judges opinion and|
my opinion the first bite leaving Garter only and elbow to bite.
Some judges would taken away points but it was not the dog but
the helper. There is a lot you my not see that judge does.
Gater did a very good c performance....I don't think anyone
disputed this call. Vincenzo could of step forward and disagreed.
But felt the dog was very good over all.....highest score for protection.
Tracking issues ...however...don't get me started..!!
by Bob McKown on 14 November 2010 - 22:47
|I love arm chair Judges...|
by Phil Behun on 15 November 2010 - 03:57
|Bob, apparently you don't know or really care much about the sport or how it should be scored at a National Championship. If you don't see where that performance was not worth 94 pts. then maybe you should stop posting here and sit back, listen and learn more about competition and how it is done.|
by Don Corleone on 15 November 2010 - 05:07
by sueincc on 15 November 2010 - 05:16
|The handler most certainly can hold the dog by the collar in both IPO3 and SchH3 before sending on the long bite, though obviously it was a little dicey in this particular situation, had he not grabbed him when he did, the dog might have broke, but for all you know, Phil most likely the judge didn't see that particular faux pas. |
There are some dogs who's scores I thought were low, some higher than I thought they should be, some right on the money. It's very easy to watch video's and see every mistake, they seem so obvious and magnified. I think it's much harder from where the judge stands, and in the instant it occurs. Who knows maybe some day we can really blow the hell out of the budget and go to Olympic style judging, and have video cameras so the 3 protection judges can watch a performance live, then to be sure they caught every little thing, retire and watch it 50 times on the video before scoring, then maybe everyone will be happy with the scores (but I doubt it).
Have a nice night all.
by Phil Behun on 15 November 2010 - 06:00
|You are allowed to "hold" the dog by the collar after it has "assumed" the basic sitting position. You are not allowed to grasp the collar and correct the dog anywhere in a SchHIII performance. The dog is to remain calm until told to go forward. The obedience portion of the C phase is to be scored as the dog is healing down the field for the long bite and,,,,,,,,lest we forget, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.|
by sueincc on 15 November 2010 - 06:23
|Go back and read what I wrote, Phil. Seems pretty obvious to me the judge didn't see exactly what happened. Lest YOU forget, no judge is perfect and this might come as a big surprise to you, but judges are human and they DON'T catch everything, not at Nationals not at Regionals, not at Local trials. Sometimes it's an honest mistake and sometimes it's a stupid mistake. That's life in the big city.|
Regarding the back transport, yes it was much longer than the 30 paces specified in the rule book, but this is not to the advantage of the dog, so I'm not sure what your problem is with it being longer than the approx 30 paces.
One thing I know for sure, you can't make everyone happy, especially those who are intent on not being happy because they are pissed off because of the JA and therefore bound and determined to take a big shit on everyone and everything UScA, right or wrong, certainly hope you don't fall into that category, Phil.
by Phil Behun on 15 November 2010 - 14:09
|Not talking about 30 paces. The handler is supposed to "maintain" a distance of 5 paces behind the helper throughout the entire exercise. It is supposed to be a "surprise" attack, if the distance becomes too great, the element of surprise is lost and the "test" is insufficient.|
by sueincc on 15 November 2010 - 16:27
|Good Morning Phil, how's your day going? I just double checked the rule book, yep 5 paces behind, my bad. It's too bad we rarely get the judges critique on videos, would be great to hear what the judge has to say on the videos where i feel too many points were taken and on the ones I feel too many points were given, obedience and protection.|
by judron55 on 15 November 2010 - 16:43
|this crap only happens at a UScA trial......yeah right....have a good day!|
by sueincc on 15 November 2010 - 17:01
|Someone actually said that Judron???? AHHHAHAHAHAHA Yeah and the bite work at NASS was phenomenal, super, they all deserved "pronounced" ratings and every dog's score at a WDA or DVG National trial is without fault or controversy, right???? Of course we all know WDA is so above board and beyond reproach the very idea of a midnight trial title is ridiculous, right???!!! |
Oh please, I have to wonder what the heck some people are smoking!!!