German Shepherd Dog > KASSIEGER GSD,S (123 replies)
by after6cpl on 23 October 2010 - 19:44
|I bought a bitch from this breeder for £850 3 years ago got told i would have to get hips and elbows scored before i could breed from her.I got vienna,s hips score back total is 67.Right side 33 and Left side 34 all you,s out there know thats a terrible score and no way can i breed from her.Sue has skirted round the edges not willing to admit this is bad for me im fully aware its a chance we all have to take that hips and elbows come back fine.I seen Sue at the open show in strathclyde and she admitted it was bad that i was to get in touch with her once the score came back when i got it and she says yes we,l sort something out.If only she had spoken to myself on the fone rather than ignoring myself and hoping the problem would go away and have her husband be nasty to myself and my husband and not once did we raise our voice Jim her husband did so what does that tell you all out there they know there,s a problem and will not admit it.Sue thinks she has the upper hand here and think shes indespensable but i think she should admit her wrong doings.I would never buy a bitch pup long haired at that for £850 for a pet and especially when one of her other bitches was due puppies at the same time and she was selling them for £600.NO WONDER YOU TOLD ME SUE NOT TO LET ANYONE KNOW HOW MUCH I PAID FOR VIENNA.Its bad out there that there is breeders who think they rule the world WITH THERE SHEPHERDS IE-SUE BELLFIELD IS ONE OF THEM .I got told by Sue vienna would be £850 to keep the bloodline.I just thought i would post my grievance with SUE BELLFIELD on here and let everyone know i know some out there will strongly dissagree with me and some who wont but £850 for a bitch and get nothing out of it its bad so i would stay well clear of SUE BELLFIELD and her not so fantastic breeding.Happy reading Sue look forward to your reply.xx|
by Jacko on 23 October 2010 - 20:04
|did she make you pay by pointing a gun at you?|
by Jodie on 23 October 2010 - 20:20
|I don't understand why you have come on here complaining, you obviously agreed and were quite happy to pay £850 for the pup at the time!! Everyone knows that when buying a pup there are no guarantees where hips and elbows are concerned. It is unfortunate that your dog has a high score, however I don't think it is right that you come on here bad mouthing the breeder!!!|
by after6cpl on 23 October 2010 - 21:04
|I have every right to come on here and complain about a breeder especially when they wont even aknowledge my self so jacko and jodie wind your necks in.|
by Doppelganger on 23 October 2010 - 22:18
|As hip scores can be affected by environment and upbringing, and I presume the parents had decent scores (or else why would you have bought a puppy out of them?) it would be helpful to know if any siblings have also been scored and the result before blaming the breeder.|
by pencil on 23 October 2010 - 22:49
|after6cpl: Have a word with your local Trading Standards as the bitch seems to be " Not fit for purpose ". Also when you consider you say you paid £850 3 years ago, when some of the top kennels are only charging £700- £800 at the present time it does seem a tad steep.|
by DotA on 24 October 2010 - 00:06
|No guarantee with hips even from good hip scoring families. But…anyone with integrity would deal, and then there wouldn’t be any need to post badmouthing breeder, right? Ignoring and being nasty as OP says, if that’s what happened, is not the answer. If bitch not fit for purpose for reason she was sold and for price, there should be a case for legal redress. Pencil, get real. Pass problem onto unsuspecting puppy buyers so OP can get money back? I hope OP has more decency than that!|
by after6cpl on 24 October 2010 - 07:56
|hi pencil and dotA thanks for your reply Daira seemingly has great hips and bad elbows hence why sue bought her im beginning to wonder if that was the case at all!!! and it was bad hips and great elbows.Sue has had a year to sort this out im new to all this and didnt understand that hip scores have to be sent away for breed survey.Vienna had her hips done at 2years could,nt before as she was in season so i made vet rake them out and they got sent away in oct this year.Sue can ignore the problem if i wanted a pet dog as she and her "" SUE FAN CLUB "" think i would have bought another pup from her other bitch that was due pups at same time.Daira as we have all been told by Sue is fantastic and i thot if you buy cheap your buy dear not in this case.There are other options ie- in taking her to court.Im not messing about any longer and this problem she cant sweep under the carpet.Thankyou all for your support i appreciate it.Ive raked online for the rest of the litter and can only find 1 and that was done in germany like the Daira.|
by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 08:57
|Had her hips done at 2 years, couldn't before as she was in season? How long was she in season? Then you wait another year before submitting them, why? Do not believe for one second Sue or her husband were nasty on the phone without very good reason. In fact do not believe for one second that Sue would not do the right thing either, MUCH more to this story than you are saying. What is it you think anyone here can do for you? I'll tell you what I can do, let you know that your punctuation is all wrong. If your intentions were to try and ruin a breeders reputation you have sadly failed as this particular breeder is one of the most reputable ones around.|
GO SORT THIS OUT IN THE RIGHT WAY AND PLACE, can't get sorted here!!!!!
Something really fishy about all this!!
by NO FEAR on 24 October 2010 - 09:24
|A female from same litter in Ireand also had bad hips .Expect the usual rant from Sue for " BLOODY HYPOCRITE " about how great her kennel is and how jealous we all are of her success etc . In reality she does NOT practice what she preaches . Her greatest success, the " R " litter would not have been born if this was the case . DO THE RIGHT THING SUE FOR " BLOODY HYPOCRITE " AND GIVE THESE PEOPLE THEIR MONEY BACK OR REPLACE THE PUPPY . ANY DECENT BREEDER WOULD HAVE HAD IT SORTED BY NOW & THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED TO USE THIS FORUM|
by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 09:28
Fact : Diara has good hips; to my knowledge, her elbows are unscored... as are a good many animals bred from in this country!
Nurture v nature... how was your puppy reared? Good food? Correct exercise? No OTT jumping / too much playing with other dogs etc? Her sister has good hips & elbows; you don't even mention your dogs elbows... were they scored? Does it not suit your purpose to mention them?
I'm with Bazza... and incidentally, if you think any other decent breeder will sell you a puppy after this nasty piece, you may well be mistaken!
I have a dog (in partnership) with Sue & Jim and a friend has a litter sister... we've had no problems whatsoever. Neither have many others that I've spoken to!
by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 09:33
|So when your vet xrayed at 2 years did he not say at the time the hips did not look good? I would think with such a high score he might have noticed. Can't understand why you would then have your vet "rake" them out some time later, and submit them for scoring. Unless you had some ulterior motive!!! I still think someone is working you from the back, like one of the 2 Sue haters that have joined you here. God I feel sorry for that dog of yours, no longer a commodity so lets now get something back, it's only taken you 3 years after all!!! Go look after your female, and do things the right way instead of trying to bad mouth a reputable breeder on a Internet chat forum.|
by Jodie on 24 October 2010 - 09:40
|Wind my neck in?? Going by that response and your original post, I find it hard to believe that you never raised your voice!!|
I too am with Bazza, there is more to this story than you are saying.
by NO FEAR on 24 October 2010 - 10:08
by after6cpl on 24 October 2010 - 10:17
|Good for you Bazza and missbeeb you have alot to learn.First of all my dogs are fed on the best Arden Grange everyone entitled to there opinion.2ND the vet told me last year her hips were to bed no point in sending them away back then i did not understand we need to send them away for breed survey.Sue has known this for a year so before i started this argument i had the plates sent away.3rd her elbows are fine they came back 0.Kapish bazza and missbeeb i do hope you understand now.Also i have emailed her told her she has until wednesday to sort this problem out or I WILL TAKE HER TO COURT.I have nothing to loose here Sue does her SO CALLED FABULOUS REPUTATION.Good day all.xx|
by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 11:02
Let me share a few facts with you all.
If one purposely breeds from animals with proven poor health condition/s (hips) and subsequently produces puppies with the same condition; then and only then, would that person be liable!
How could Sue have known the hip score before you had them scored? Vets have mis-read scores on countless ocassions! Clearly, it is YOU who has much to learn for few breeders would take your Vet's word as gospel.
I know that Sue always provides a contract and endorses registrations, "progeny not to be registered"... check your paperwork, for the courts certainly will.
At the moment, Sue's sweet old girl (Kally 13 years) is very ill, indeed her days are numbered, therefore, she is unlikely to be giving crapola like this any kind of priority... nor should she!
by pencil on 24 October 2010 - 12:36
|missbeeb: to use your words, let me share a few facts with you !! buying a dog is no different than a washing machine, in the eyes of the law,they both should be fit for purpose.of course the breeder cannot know at the time of sale about the hips/elbows, but once they are informed they should do something about it eg.another dog or money back.sadly a lot of breeders get away with murder because the public do not know their rights. i fail to see the relevance of your other point about endorsing the registration, thats nowt to do with it.|
by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 12:53
Pencil, I have long since given up trying to make sense of your bad attitude toward people in general and Sue Belfield in particular, but contracts are contracts... right? Oh, I know you reneged on yours with Steve Foran, so your word is worth, what? Yup, not too much! No surprise there!
Nurture v nature Pencil... if the dog rearing is at fault (and we don't know that it isn't) that has a huge bearing on matters and so does a contract. Most would agree that you should NOT put a puppy over jumps, because of the damage it can do... yes?
Now, I do believe you informed us that you were a solicitor! One can only assume, that it's a different kind of soliciting, for you're no legal help to anyone!
by Abby Normal on 24 October 2010 - 13:36
|I am so sorry to hear that Sue's oldie is very ill. She certainly won't want to deal with this right now, and I agree for once with Miss Beeb that neither should she, perhaps you should take this into account rather than demanding deadlines for resolution, there is just no worse time for a dog owner. |
Pencil you made a ridiculous suggestion that the OP should now breed from a dog with known bad hips to get her money back - that is simply outrageous. If the dam had good hips, a pup with bad hips is just bad luck, there is no case to prove that the dam is not fit for purpose. Granted it is for the breeder to deal with this situation gracefully when it arises, but there is no requirement that I can think of (unless it is in the contract) that means she has to give a refund or replace the puppy. All that you can realistically ask from the breeder is moral support!
It is devastating to get bad news about the hips, but it happens. I know - been there done that. But never did I blame the breeder as all the hips behind the dog were good.
Everyone seems to be very hot under the collar about this. I don't think the blame should be directed at how the puppy was raised. That alone cannot cause HD unless the dog is already predisposed towards it. I simply think the OP needs to understand that this can happen to anyone. Some breeders don't deal with these things well, and some do. But the outcome is the same and it can and does happen in the best of breedings.
by Videx on 24 October 2010 - 13:40
|Caveat emptor - "Let the buyer beware"|