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by GSDfan on 12 September 2010 - 00:05 |
| "Im with Prager on this" Ditto!! "Am not breeding these dogs. Someone else is and i do like the look of them." Supporting this breeder by purchasing their product is just as bad as breeding them yourself. You are perpetuating the market...supply and demand. "Again i said i would consider these breeders. Not that i was actually 100% thinking of buying from them!" Good I hope this thread has made you RE-consider "Am not against any of you and that may suprise you but this post was clearly a mistake...." Sure people jumped on you but this was not a mistake if it has opened your eyes at all. Take it with a grain of salt, a nice nudge wouldn't have opened your ears...sometimes it takes a slap in the face...that is what you got. I hope it worked. |
GSDfan by Krazy Bout K9s on 12 September 2010 - 02:29 |
| Sorry, Ugly looking dogs, that will soon be in a rescue somewhere....I am with Hans on this one too....more puppy mill breeders out for the money... I have rehomed way too many of these idiot peoples' dogs... Steph |
Krazy Bout K9s by Rik on 12 September 2010 - 03:11 |
| geordie, if you are not involved with these dogs, I apoligize to you. It was just a little diffulcult to understand how someone spends any amount of time at all on this board and not gain even rudimentary knowledege of what a GSD is. I am not asking you to accept my idea of a GSD. Or anyone's else's idea. I am asking that you at least read and understand the standard so you have some idea of what a GSD is and should be and then make your choice from knowledege. Educate yourself on the healt issues that can be encountered. Many are very hearbreaking and also very expensive to live with. I do not think this thread is a mistake at all. The only mistake will be if you have learned nothing from the very sound advice given by some pretty knowledegable people. best, Rik |
by Prager on 12 September 2010 - 03:15 |
| Geordie you said:. I honestly hope your idea for the breed goes far but them idea's are not the idea's of everyone involved in the breed. Look I do not want to beat you up. Really. That is the best way to make you bitter.But let me tell you about your statement which I am mentioning here. It is not about my idea or your idea or someones idea about the breed. It is about what the breed was originally intended to be. It is the idea of Max v Stephanitz. I suggest that you get his book and read it.Then if you do not like Max v Stephanitzes idea of what GSD should be then go and orient your self towards another breed. There is notheing wrong with that. I guess the reason people are so upset with yu is that you have asked many questions here and then you have come with this type of a dog. I have responded to you few times myself and now feel like a failure. It is maddening. I am trying to promote proper GSD that is a working dog and this is a result of my and people's here effort. Don't get bitter Don't get discouraged. Get that book I have told you about. ....and read it. Book is not cheap, but it is what you need and thus well worth it. http://www.amazon.com/German-Shepherd-Dog-Word-Picture/dp/9993280054 Prager Hans http://www.alpinek9.com |
Prager by Nellie on 12 September 2010 - 08:47 |
| These breeding lines that you have mentioned have come up several times in posts concirning genetic issues, 1 breeder has had to cut these lines from their breeding program, and if memory serves me right you your self have been involved in one of these posts, when an owner has been open about issues,and you gave them a slating, these posts have been deleted from the forum, so why would you want a pup from these lines, only to allow these breeders to continue with their breeding and perpetuate problems. It's way to easy to sit and make excusses why these problems wont concirne you ,but you wont think so if you are the one landed with a young dog in agorny with HD or Addisons or any other genetic problem occurs in your pup, These dogs being bred from high scores can and do produce problems And befor you say any dog can produce a dysplastic pup,yes they can but at least the breeders choosing to breed from low scored dogs have tried to reduce the fact, No person that has any real intrest in the breed would concider breeding from dogs that do not conform with the breed standered and defo will not breed from animals that do not come within the health test requirements If you want a long coated dog, their are many that are produced from reputable kennels that come within the standered and health requirements |
Nellie by VomFelsenHof on 12 September 2010 - 08:56 |
| They're cute, but certainly don't look like German Shepherds. I wouild think "cross" if I saw one walking down the street. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own. :) -Melanie vom Felsenhof German Shepherds |
VomFelsenHof by VomFelsenHof on 12 September 2010 - 08:56 |
| They're cute, but certainly don't look like German Shepherds. I wouild think "cross" if I saw one walking down the street. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own. :) -Melanie vom Felsenhof German Shepherds |
by jj73 on 12 September 2010 - 12:11 |
| Hip scores are important even if you are not planning on breeding. Its no fun living with a dysplastic dog, i do every day and so do many others. You only have to look at the bva hip score results on the videx site to see how many bad scores have come from the dog that sired the recent litter for these kennels. It obviously runs down the lines. |
by geordiegaviino on 12 September 2010 - 13:08 |
| by Merryvale on 11 September 2010 - 22:09 Merryvale Posts: 35 Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2010 01:25 pm Geordiegaviino Can I ask why you are still considering this breeder?This breeder has some truly dreadful hip scores in their lines.Thry have Aristima in there as well and Aristima themselves admitted there was a problem with Epilepsy. There are a lot of very good breeders here in the UK that breed from good quality dogs,why would you bother with breeders who really don't care about the puppies they produce or the people they sell to. Oh yes they can talk the talk but when it comes down to it all they care about is the money,not the pain and distress they cause through their atrocious breeding programs. |
by Merryvale on 12 September 2010 - 13:15 |
| Yes your right there jj73. I have 2 dogs, both with severe HD(scores in the sixties) and although they are happy, life with them is always ruled by their limitations and I monitor them closely on a daily basis. Breeders that breed regardless of health tests are beyond contempt |
by Merryvale on 12 September 2010 - 13:21 |
| Georgdiegaviino, I'm sure I did not intentionally "talk down" to you. But at least now you hopefully understand a little more about health issues than you did. |
by jj73 on 12 September 2010 - 13:22 |
| In my eyes merryvale, they are worse than the ones who don't bother in the first place. Health tests are there for a reason, use them ! |
by geordiegaviino on 12 September 2010 - 13:23 |
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by Merryvale on 12 September 2010 - 13:48 |
| Geordiegaviino, To be honest the bulk of the advice you were given was not "bullying" at all. Most of the replies were to the point and concise, yes there were a couple that were a bit rude but thats people for you. You will find that people will give you their honest opinions,if you then go on to disregard the info given to you then yes some will get a bit cross with you. jj73 I agree with you there. What do these Breeders think health tests are there for if not to use them and abide by them. My dogs are happy but when you look at dogs without HD that CAN move and CAN run and CAN jump and do all the things other dogs can do it infuriates me to think that these people just don't give a damn. |
by Prager on 12 September 2010 - 14:59 |
| geordiegaviino I am sorry that you feel that way. As a matter of fact I would say that most people were giving you straight answer without beating around the bush. That is not "talking down" to you. I prefer to say 1+1=2 instead of : if you would kindly, with your permission consider one and then you add gently to it another one than that is, if you permit me to to say so and if you do it in your due time,... then in this three dimensional world you may consider that you will get number 2. No I say and most people here say 1+1=2 . And I mean it the best possible way without any intention of talking down to you. Take it or leave it. No offense intended. Prager Hans |
by starrchar on 12 September 2010 - 19:26 |
| Geordie, I hope my post will be received as it intended. You mentioned in your last post that your mate is not aware of this thread and you're not going to tell him about it. If in fact it is true that the puppy your mate is buying has epilespy in the lines, I strongly encourage you to tell him. I strongly encourage him NOT to get the puppy. To buy a puppy that knowingly has parents with mediocre or bad hip scores and that carry epilepsy is plain and simple not wise. I can tell you from first hand experience you do not want to deal with the awful monster called epilepsy. I can also tell you from first hand experience you don't want to deal with bad hips. There are no guarantees in life and it is true that a puppy that comes from the seemingly healthiest parents (good hip/elbow scores with no known genetic health issues) may still have problems, but to CHOOSE to buy one that you KNOW has a good chance of having problems is terribly foolish. Your mate may lose the deposit if he chooses not to get this puppy, but that is a lot better than having to deal with epilepsy or bad hips, both of which are VERY costly to deal with, not to mention the emotional toll it takes. I think if you truly care about your mate, you will tell him the truth and if he still chooses to get this puppy it is his choice. The best, Char |
starrchar by ziegenfarm on 13 September 2010 - 17:52 |
| personal opinion only: i think these dogs look deformed. if you like the looks of these dogs, perhaps you need to be looking for another breed. they look like old time herding dogs so maybe you need to be looking at something along that line. my granddad used to have some old farmbred herding dogs that were built like this - had some collie and other stuff in them. good dogs, but definately not gsds. pjp |
ziegenfarm by dogud shepherd on 13 September 2010 - 20:51 |
| have to agree with most of whats bein said here,throw in a bad temperament here and there,and i'd say you have everything that a gsd should "NOT" be .create a new breed and endorse it,if you feel the need,but dont call them gsd.call them what they are.Unusual! |
dogud shepherd by SchaeferhundSchH on 19 September 2010 - 15:25 |
| please dont allow your mate to get a dog from this breeding. Epilepsy is a terrible thing to deal with, as well as HD. your mate will thank you, I'm sure members on this forum would be happy to steer you in the direction of some responsible breeders who breed beautiful examples of the breed. I hope these posts opened up your eyes. You were close to getting a dog from these terrible breeders. We are in a war right now to get rid of those sick people breeding for money and ruining our breed. Sometimes we have to be blunt, harsh, and downright rude to get our points across quick enough to show you what you are doing is very bad. We were just trying to grab the kids hand before it touched the stove. At first it isn't nice, almost looks mean with how harshly we grabbed your hand..... But you will thank us later when you are old enough (have the knowledge of the breed) to understand what we did for you. |
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