German Shepherd Dog > Show Me your Sables (292 replies)
by YogieBear on 31 August 2010 - 19:23
What color do you say she is?
by ShelleyR on 31 August 2010 - 19:30
|V (BSZS x 2) Carol vom Arolser Holz, SchH 3, FH1 (100 pts) FH2, KK1 (life) a1|
10 years old today. Sired 3 litters born in the last year.
by Red Sable on 31 August 2010 - 19:40
|What a good looking dog Shelley.|
by nonacona60 on 31 August 2010 - 19:55
|YB, she is absolutely a sable....I would say she is a grey sable because the guard hairs appear to be more of a grey color than black.... I much prefer the black guard hair, but the color of ANY dog does NOT make or break a dog's ability to work..Color is just a preference......|
I believe a pattern sable is one that has a sable saddle, but the rest of the body is predominately tan, red, or any other color, with little to no sabling affect...That is MY idea as to what a pattern sable is....Other people have different ideas as to what a pattern sable is..
by michael49 on 31 August 2010 - 19:55
|Patterned Red sables father and daughter|
by nonacona60 on 31 August 2010 - 20:05
|Cinda, below is a patterned sable...You can see she has a saddle that is of sable color......This is my opinion of a patterned sable. Thanks Mike, those are nice examples of patterned sables also....|
by Jamie on 31 August 2010 - 20:27
|JRANSOM- Nina is beautiful|
by JRANSOM on 31 August 2010 - 20:30
She's a great dog and a very funny girl! Kelli drew a picture of Nina too and it came out beautiful! She really captured that mischevious spark in her eyes. Urso is a great boy too. I love them both! Everyone has some really beautiful dogs!
The pic of the drawing is in the thread OT more art by LukaGS. You'll be able to pick her out.
by ShelleyR on 31 August 2010 - 20:50
|Thank you. there's a special place in my heart for dark, long-coat sables too. Haven't seen too many of them. |
by Jenni78 on 31 August 2010 - 21:41
| Not to be unkind, but some of these dogs being called patterned sables, look (and pictures can be deceiving- I know that!) more like poorly pigmented b & t's. Like I said, pics can be deceiving.|
This is what I call a patterned sable:
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/615144.html He has markings like his mother's...except his fur is sable and she is a bicolor.
by nonacona60 on 31 August 2010 - 21:53
|Jenni, no offense take. But if you are referring to my sable bitch Cinda pictured above, I assure you she is not washed out blk/tan, but indeed a true sable......Here is her pedigree and you will see her mother is a sable which her sire is a sable...Please take a look and you will see....|
Not trying to argue with you because I believe you are entitled to your opinion, and it is not wrong....No one's opinion is wrong....Just wanted to clarify for Cinda's breeder, that Cinda is a sable......
Love that sable you have a link to in your post above.....
by Jenni78 on 31 August 2010 - 21:59
| Nonacona, not sure why you'd assume it was about you.|
And yes, some people's opinions ARE wrong; there is nothing subjective about the color gene a dog carries. ;-)
by YogieBear on 31 August 2010 - 22:06
| Jenni78 - tell my why you think Apache is a Patterned Sable.... after looking at all the other pictures - I just dont see it.. Not saying you are wrong - I just want to know what you are looking at in this picture..|
by Jenni78 on 31 August 2010 - 22:24
| Well, there is not a distinction between patterned sables and "regular" sables in any registration that I'm aware of. If we're going to delve deeper into descriptives to describe the varying appearances of genetically sable dogs, then I'd say a patterned sable will bear markings like a black and tan or bicolor- eye "brows", marks behind ears, shoulderblades, front of chest, etc. My "regular" sables have no such markings, whereas Apache and Xander show clear blankets/saddles, as well as a clear mask as in a b&t. Am I making any sense? Apache has a mask w/lighter eyebrows and marks behind his shoulderblades, as well as an almost entirely black blanket...yet the fur in those areas is sable, whereas if it were solid black he would be a bicolor or b&t. |
They're all just SABLES:-)
by KellyJ on 31 August 2010 - 22:33
Would you consider this dog Patterned Sable?
Brit z Elisu son....
by Renofan2 on 31 August 2010 - 22:40
|Andi Bojonovik (Brenna 8 months):|
by Renofan2 on 31 August 2010 - 22:42
|This is a sable - Working line x showline cross:|
by Jenni78 on 31 August 2010 - 22:47
| Yeah, Kelly. Informally, I would. Here's a Brit son I had for a while:|
by YogieBear on 31 August 2010 - 22:48
| They are all registered as sable - just as black/tan's are reg just that - but colors do vary... I know it is a matter of opinion on what the dog color is when it comes to sable... But even though the registry doesn't distinguish between the different colorations of the sable - there is really a difference between the colors.. Registry isn't what we are talking about on this thread - I want to be able to look at a sable dog and say that dog is . a ______ sable... |
. But again, it just is the individuals opinion - Nona doesn't think her bitch "Lissa" is a pattern sable - I think she is - I don't think your Apache is a pattern sable - you do... I have a black and red majestic blanket back and other people think she is a bicolor..
But I do respect what you are saying - I still think that people can't identify a pattern sable - In my opinion, I see a pattern sable - with t the line on the shoulder and a blanket - dull in comparison to a solid blanket - I would call it discolored -- many colors in the what is suppose to be a black blanket on a dog you would classify as a blanket back blk/tn... It is simply this---- a pattern sable is a dog that has a distinctive pattern in it's body hair.... correct me if you feel I am wrong...
by Jenni78 on 31 August 2010 - 22:54
|Yogie...pattern in it's HAIR or pattern in it's COLORING?|