German Shepherd Dog > While we're talking about catch dogs, breeding untitled dogs, and herding dogs....what about this??? (87 replies)
by Jenni78 on 21 July 2010 - 13:50
| Congrats on your new dog. Hope you like him. I hope he knows what he's in for....poor thing. |
Would I breed to him? How the hell would I know? I've never met him. Hard to make a decision based on nothing but a few pics and a pedigree.
by darylehret on 21 July 2010 - 17:53
|Amusing thread. Just breed the dog Jen, you got popular approval.|
by Jenni78 on 22 July 2010 - 15:44
|Oh thank God! I've always been a person who needed popular approval on all my actions. I haven't slept in days worrying over this. I need a nap now.|
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 26 July 2010 - 18:19
|To me, he embodies a versatility I fear is almost entirely lost in our breed. Wondering what others think.++++|
Then what does it matter what other people think he should be *labled* as? There are always naysayers...look at the degree of it and pure distaste that is displayed on this board.....
IMO dont worry about the lable... rejoice in the dogs abilities and be happy he can perform something usefull to the owner who must be elated :)
In many parts of the county this is a dog who can be most useful in keeping someones livelyhood in the +..a type of dog I relish.
by 1doggie2 on 28 July 2010 - 19:36
|A thinking dog is gift to be treated well and not lost, breed him.|
by Jenni78 on 18 August 2010 - 12:19
|I talked to the owner of the star of this thread, and he will be breeding him this month or next, depending on when the female comes into heat (sure wish there was a way to predict that lately- all mine are off!). Apparently he was at a huge convention (the national show, I believe) and at his booth, he had pictures of Apollo catching mink and people were very interested. He said he has 15 business cards of people who were interested in puppies after seeing that and talking to the owner. They're sick of losing livestock and say it's nearly impossible to find a dog that works- they either kill them or won't hold them long enough.|
I've learned that only 1 out of every 5-10 people really means it when they say they want a pup out of Dog X, so there may be a few available. If anyone is interested, PM me and I will get you contact info. I'd like to help this guy out even if we're not using one of my females, and I don't mind representing these pups as I think they will be excellent. I'm pretty picky about what I represent for sale.
by darylehret on 18 August 2010 - 16:25
|What do you know or expect for results in regards to the heredity of "mink catching" behavior? How are you deciding what female to bring him to?|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 19 August 2010 - 04:43
| Quote: Congrats on your new dog. Hope you like him. I hope he knows what he's in for....poor thing.|
Well, I have now trained him to be a certified mink catcher. All I have to do now, is go on a public forum, and get people to kiss my ass about how cool this is. I am working on the mystery elk thing, After all, they get out all the time.
Luckily, I too know a guy with slip shod cages and mink running amok. Funny, all my dogs caught the mink real well. No throwing involved, as they didn't want to damage the poor little dears.
Obviously something has gone wrong. No one needs to know wether or not this dog is bred or not.
by Jenni78 on 19 August 2010 - 14:00
|Jeff, that's awesome. Congratulations. Your dogs finally are doing something useful!|
Daryl, you're too much of a pussy to come out and be a blatant asshole, like Jeff, who I have always admired for this, so you ask insincere questions and feign genuine interest. Grow some balls or shut up. Go make a chart or something. Heredity of mink-catching behavior??? LMAO. Typical single-purpose thinking/breeding mentality, which is why our dogs have lost this versatility. Out of all that, you came away from this thread thinking we're breeding for "mink-catching behavior?" ROFL.
Jeff, maybe you can help me answer the PMs and emails and by reading what people are looking for and why they're so interested, you'd understand the concept. Some people actually have livelihoods and protecting them is paramount. Do some research into organic meat farming or the fur industry. I know you have the time.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 19 August 2010 - 14:42
| Judging by the average post on this board, I can imagine why you would get responses. Good grief there are a bunch of pet owners here. |
Send me all your PM's and I will help respond to the retards that think this is going to work.
Love ya !
by Conie on 19 August 2010 - 14:43
|Wow what a nice looking dog. Brains and Beauty as well. His shape and construction is very close to the breed standard as well. Nice straight back , good head and angles. This dog would certainly reverse the trend to turn out roached back dogs and replace them with great dogs with brains. I would use him myself and an added bonus he is a sable, I just love a good sable.|
never did think I would read such stupid and ignorant comments from someone that clearly has no idea what a GSD should look like and behave. This is a nice looking dog and very intellegent. I look at the breed standard then look at the show dogs I come accross and they are two different animals. Does anyone ever read the breed standard anymore?. I am sure many don't have a clue what is put down on paper. I once heard a responce from a gentleman when he was asked if he understood the breed standard and his reply, " Oh I don't bother with that, I have my own standard and if it fits into my breeding program I will use it ". That's the sort of answer I would have expected from him. And as far as breeding to only champions is just plain daft. There are many more non titled dogs out there that are far better than the ch one see's in the ring. Many dogs are made up by friends for favour's done or expected. It happen's all the time. If one of my dogs won his title from a friend then I would consider it being a cheat. I will never show under good friends of mine.
by Jenni78 on 19 August 2010 - 15:21
|Conie, I agree. He is a very nice dog in all regards. |
Jeff, love you too. But what exactly isn't "going to work?" Is there some plot or scheme somewhere that I'm missing? You'll have to dumb things down a bit for me, I guess.
I do think you're a bit off your rocker for calling everyone interested in this type animal a "retard." If they were easy to find anymore, no one would be interested and we wouldn't have threads dedicated to trying to find a GSD that can still herd, etc.
Let's play pretend, Jeffy. You have a job- a big job. You have thousands of animals worth millions of dollars and you need them moved around the farm for various reasons. Some go out, new ones come in, you have to herd elk to tag the babies, etc. If one gets out and manages to make it through the several fences and barriers, you have no choice but to shoot it, by law. Big waste of money, eh? Not to mention you have to kill an animal for no good reason. Now let's say you have a dog who can prevent or fix 90% of the problems you run into in this extremely lucrative business. What, exactly, is so difficult to understand about the value of such an animal? I'm sure many dogs could do this; what's exceptional about Apollo is that no one taught him what to do or how to do it.
by darylehret on 19 August 2010 - 16:23
Never understood where all your animosity came from, Jen. You were more pleasant back in the day when you wanted something. Anyways, you must not have any answers to what I thought a completely legitimate question, and totally relevant as to "why you thought you should breed him." Everytime I attempt to be cordial to you, you act like a freak.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 19 August 2010 - 16:25
| Quote: Let's play pretend, Jeffy|
God you make me sweat when you talk like that.
Quote: I'm sure many dogs could do this; what's exceptional about Apollo is that no one taught him what to do or how to do it.
This is where your beating up Daryl is kinda silly. So what IS the likelyhood that this trait will pass ? What will the expectations of the puppy owners be ??
Odds are that it is exactly like breeding to the few show line dogs that perform well (for show dogs)
I am not saying don't breed the dog, it is just goofy to think that you are going to produce mink and elk dogs, just off this one dog who just does it somehow. They are going to put puppies in with the savage little weasels, and the puppy is going to get the shit kicked out of him, and then later, if he has any guts at all is going to slay the little shits left and right.
by Bob McKown on 19 August 2010 - 19:28
|Sounds like a dog with all the skills and natural talent needed in the breed I agree ofa and breed him.Run his family history also.|
by Jenni78 on 19 August 2010 - 19:37
|I am a freak, Daryl. That's why Jeff loves me. |
Daryl, what in God's name did/would I ever want from you? Copy/paste lessons? Your Chart-Making for Dummies book? I know your style a bit better than the newbies who might actually believe you have a sincere question, so fess up to your pussified provocation tactics or drop it and go away. I hate resorting to un-ladylike language (except when I'm with Jeff, of course). The general consensus is that I'm more pleasant than I used to be, so maybe it's you.
Jeff..........you miss my point. Yet again. <sigh> No one is trying to "produce mink and elk dogs." It's all about THE TRAITS THE DOG POSSESSES/CARRIES THAT ALLOW HIM TO DO THESE RATHER BIZARRE TASKS, AND DO THEM VERY WELL- ALL ON HIS OWN. THAT, my friend, is what people seem to be so interested in. Sure, there are fur farmers who want to try them for obvious reasons (or at least I think they're obvious, lol), but that's not the point, for the bazillionth time. PUPPIES are a gamble. No one can guarantee any traits that the parents have will be passed to the pups, but if you're looking for certain traits, why would you NOT first try the parents that have them?
The dog is breedworthy outside of his occupation (and good God, let's not start another "what makes a dog breedworthy?" thread), so that's a moot point; it's not like there's some major detriment to the breed likely to occur if the dog is bred and none of the pups go to fur farms. Single purpose breeding is (IMO) what is ruining the breed.
LMAO- who is going to "put puppies in with the savage little weasels..."?
by Jenni78 on 19 August 2010 - 19:39
|Bob, thanks for adding some logic into the end of this thread. He's already been and prelim'd and re-xrayed; just needs to be certified now. What do you mean by "run his family history"?|
by darylehret on 19 August 2010 - 20:02
|Enjoy your multi purpose breeding gamble :-). Getting all your best soundbytes from Hans, it seems. I guess it's not self promotion if it isn't your dog.|
by Bob McKown on 19 August 2010 - 20:07
|Get to know his family history well learn the pedigree, do some research on health issues from siblings,aunts uncles ect... Know a little of the dogs genetic history.|
The trial field isn,t the end all tell all for breeding epically the way the criteria has been manipulated by the breeders in the past less and less streasors to truly test the dog is the norm now.
The dog will tell me way more then the score book ever could.
The skills the dog is showing are genetic natural talents that have endured in his breeding anyone who can,t see that is just arguing for pure enjoyment or pure ignorance...you can figure out witch.
by Jenni78 on 19 August 2010 - 20:18
|Gotcha, Bob. I didn't know if you meant all around, or just hip history since you mentioned OFA right before that. |
I know the lines pretty well and have talked to the owners of his sire, a couple of his siblings, and my all-time favoritest (not a word but it's so true) dog ever is a very close relative, which is why I don't believe he's a fluke. I *think* this is coming from the sire's (grandsire's) side, primarily. The close relatives that I have personal experience with or know the owners well all convey similar disbelief at the reasoning skills they display.
What's Hans got to do with this? I've never communicated with Hans, Daryl. So sorry.