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by Mackenzie on 14 March 2010 - 16:25 |
| I agree absolutely with Paulie's earlier post. It is ever increasingly obvious with every day that passes that the KC do not want you!!! The time has come, as David Payne says, to take the gloves off. The way forward now is to get together and unite by finding a strong leader to take you forward. Get fund raising and get as much as you can to launch the new club that the breed and yourselves deserve. Once sufficient funding is in place then implement the plan for the new club with the assistance and blessing of the WUSV. Take the pain of not showing until the time you are ready to go forward with a new system, donate what would be entry fees to the fighting fund. Organise your publicity to bring bring on board the public, media, veterinary advisers. Get professional and stop trying to go forward on pure emotion. Enthusiasm is what is needed - find it!! As for Crufts, I have boycotted the show as an exhibitor, handler, or day tripper, since the time Len Pagliero judged the breed and people by the hundred signed a petition about the judging. That was the beginning of the problems with the KC. Mackenzie |
by Sue B on 14 March 2010 - 18:21 |
| Carole, what I said Is that I would not be putting money direct into KC coffers by entering Crufts. When you enter a Breed show your money goes into the Breed Clubs coffers, not the KC;s, but entering Crufts puts your entry money directly into the Kennel Clubs OWN SHOW and therefore the KC;s own bank account. However, what I also said is that I would expect any Breed Club which has signed the KC Undertaking to take signing it seriously and for the Clubs committee to fully accept their signing of the Undertaking by full compliance to the demands within the Undertaking. That the Club will fully adhere to the KC's ruling of No Double Handling and enforce the KC;s Escalation Proceedure WITHIN EVERY LETTER OF ITS RULES. I like you Carole, will expect each class to be judged in total silence, without ANY double handling being allowed by ANYBODY and that each club will educate its judges and the Club will report ANY JUDGE promoting an unsound animal to the KC within 7 days. Remember, the KC expect Clubs to EDUCATE their judges, so any judge not already a qualified Championship Show judge would have to have been EDUCATED by the Club prior to Judging, that is also part of the Undertaking. Hey Wales just a thought, has your Judge this month undergone your Education Classes to judge our Breed??? NO!! Oooops!! Sue |
Sue B by noddi on 14 March 2010 - 19:00 |
| thanks sue for the clarification.you,ll have to ecuse me as the brain doesnt go into gear quite so quick these days...OLD AGE.didnt think open shows where to the same ruling.i was under the impression that yu could still have open shows BUT NOT CHAMP SHOWS if yu didnt sign the undertaking.am i wrong?nice state of affairs isnt it.i hope these clubs are ready this year for the onslaught as i was standing next to these two persons who were taking notes.i got the impression from wot he said after the dog judging that he didnt think soundness was that bad...10 per cent but the lady disagreed.she didnt say wot percentage she thought was unsound but she said she,d seen a lot more,so even their officials dont agree.wot a complete balls up.maybe thats why they said wot they did on saturday.wot ever it was a disgrace.Carolesorry that should read unsoundness,sorry again. |
by Blanik on 14 March 2010 - 19:09 |
 I said I wasn't going to go off topic..but here goes. I don't know what Gary was doing with the tails at WELKS, to be honest I don't remember him doing anything, of course that doesn't mean he didn't! I do remember Freddie Christian measuring tails somewhere though..could have been the two day in 97, but I'm nor sure on that. In defense of Gary's judging I will also post a recent picture of my own dog, Blanik Excentrik,(yes out of coat), he is the grandson of my lovely Blanik Alliance I also found this photo of his CC winner at WELKS in 2008, a dog of all German breeding who has won under visiting judges and was award his 1st rcc from Junior at Norfolk GSD under Herr. Albrect Worner  |
Blanik by missbeeb on 14 March 2010 - 19:23 |
Yes, you're right about Freddie, it was at the South Western GSD Ch show (can't remember the year) Jane Swan was the dog judge & I had the pleasure of being her 2nd (to Sammy Hunter) steward. Of course that was when the Sth Western was a GSD Club not an Alsatianist effort. Could you post a picture of the bitch Gary gave the ticket to? Bilnetts something or other, I believe. |
missbeeb by Will H on 14 March 2010 - 19:55 |
| As far as I am aware as a member of the Cornish branch of BAGSD we DID NOT sign the KC by a 100% majority. |
Will H by CAROL on 14 March 2010 - 20:08 |
| Will, your branch may not have voted to sign but I believe the organisation as a whole has signed |
CAROL by Penny on 14 March 2010 - 20:11 |
| Will H As many branches as possible must write to the BAGSD EC committee and ask that the branch votes be put up on their website. As I said in an earlier posting - it need not be name for name, in fact, it should not be, but the name of the branch and how many voted for or against is the only way to do this. Derbyshire will write and request this. Mo. |
by noddi on 14 March 2010 - 20:14 |
| sorry but i too am going to go off topic.Misbeeb,Gary,s bitch ticket winner was Fayrelander Polly Flinders,reserve was the Bilnett bitch.all i can say is that Gary will put up an animal that is not his preference if that animal IS SOUNDER than the german ones.i haven,t been under Gary but i won the bitch ticket last year under his wife Gill.now my bitch has won under all types of judges...continental,germans,germanic judges from the uk,and all rounders.if yu have the breed council books,i think its 2005 my bitch is in there.....her name is RHEINMEISTER CHI-KI-MI.she also won the ticket at crufts 2007 under Eric Broadhurst.i would enter under Gary Gray.Carole Spelman |
by voneche on 14 March 2010 - 20:22 |
The more I think about the comments made on national TV the more angry I get. The fact that they singled out the GSD with theIr unfair and incorrect comment's is disgraceful. What about the poor dogs that have real health issues eg. the cavalier king charles spaniels breed with heads to small for there brains to form correctly. We MUST stand together against the KC and their bully boy tactics.... there only concern is money! Only recently i had a call from a lady asking my advice as she has put a £50 deposit down on a GSD puppy who was the outcome of a brother and sister mating (a mistake i would hope), obviously i recommended she think very carefully as any faults would be doubled up with this mating and their could be serious health issues with the pups, this lady told me she had phoned the kennel club asking the same question and that they had said "it was fine, and they could still be registered with them" what is that all about if its not money!!! |
voneche by missbeeb on 14 March 2010 - 20:26 |
Each to his own, Noddi. I don't believe he can judge night from day and there were some good, sound bitches at WELKS, yet... |
by hutch on 14 March 2010 - 20:54 |
| Carol, This was an outrageous TV interview. Fear not, we are all with you on this. I would suggest a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards people at the least. Have you read the blog which David put the link to on the pdb? It gives some hope that not everyone is against us! Shirley |
hutch by Videx on 14 March 2010 - 21:16 |
| Just in case you have high blood pressure, I suggest you sit down with a glass of brandy when you read this post on behalf of Pam Edgington. 14 March 2010 18: Here it is the last day at Crufts 2010.. I feel totally humiliated. At 76 years old and what? 40 years in the breed? Because a kennel club official and their Vet said my 5 month old baby GSD was unsound and they did not want her to be on a display team which the members of the public would see and which the K.C. felt was not the "sort of German Shepherd" they wanted the General Public to see I was asked to leave. Yes... Get out FAST ... leave the show. No questions of not going in the team again but "Get Out" ... LEAVE" How humiliating is that? A 5 month old baby? Loose yes ... Unsound at 5 months? possibly but 110% sound in character, 110 % sound in working ability - exactly WHAT are the K.C. looking for? Here we have 110% soundness of character - even the KC Official said that - but because she is a baby and loose I get banished from Crufts 2010. For my part - lets get away from this beauocracy and stupidness. We can do without it. An emotionally shattered and humiliated lifelong GSD enthusiast Pam Edgington |
Videx by noddi on 14 March 2010 - 21:16 |
| ihold on a minute.......isnt a brother to sister mating banned for registration by the kennel club??????????i though close inbreeding was a no no.now and their staff is telling potential purchasers of gsds thats okay!!!!!!!only alsatianists have done these types of breeding to my knowledge.the closest i,ve seen a germanic do is half brother to half sister and then thats only once or twice.Carole |
by voneche on 14 March 2010 - 21:20 |
| i can only tell you want the caller said, disgusting isnt it! |
by missbeeb on 14 March 2010 - 21:31 |
There are no depths to which they will not sink. I'm sorry to hear that you were treated so appallingly, Pam. How do we get the same media platform? |
by Wildmoor on 14 March 2010 - 21:55 |
| you are correct Noddi the kc state : Ban on close matings – It is vital that the genetic diversity of all breeds remains at a healthy level and in January 2009, the Kennel Club announced that it would crack down on the small number of breeders who continue to use the practice of mating close relatives, by refusing to register those puppies that are born from any mother/son, father/daughter or brother/sister mating. |
by Sue B on 14 March 2010 - 22:13 |
| In that case then Pam (Wildmoor) shouldnt the KC be reporting itself ????!!!! Fact is, who is monotoring the KC and when it fails to comply to its own rules and regulations who reports it and to whom? Answere;s on a postcard please to Jemima Harrison. Regards Sue b |
by redriding on 14 March 2010 - 22:21 |
| Regarding the "big 4" if they continue to flirt with the KC after this they will have shown they don't give a flying f**ck about the GSD. Regarding them that have signed the KC dictate- reflect at your leisure on the consequences. Regarding AW of bagsd see him for what he is. I am sorry for the owner of that pup it's a disgrace. Only one thing to do, as Paulie said. move on ASAP. Red |
by smc on 15 March 2010 - 09:40 |
| I did not see the program but if anyone dared to slag my dog who has all the correct health checks for which they aIre going on about on national television I am afraid that I would be going to the press and possibly if I could afford it take them to court at least show them up somehow How dare they |
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