German Shepherd Dog > Flying trot? (70 replies)
by myfanwy on 22 February 2010 - 16:50
thank you for sharing july9000
I have to keep coming back to look at them
I visited your web site your dog are a credit to you and the GSD world
doing what the breed was bred for.
by noddi on 22 February 2010 - 18:26
|yes fantastic photos july9000.thank yu very much.like the look of your gsd too.|
by Linda B on 22 February 2010 - 21:27
|great photo's july9000.|
by Preston on 22 February 2010 - 23:31
|When I mentioned pacing, I am referring to slow speed movement. And it is the correct mode at low speeds because it means that the GSD is usually short coupled. At least 70% of all GSDs at the Sieger Show each year in Germany pace at slower speeds. Pacing is not a fault at slower speeds, it is highly efficient and correct movement. At higher speeds the GSD will shift into a two point flying trot if constructed properly with proper coordination and ligamentation. For those that doubt what I claim, just obtain a video of any German Sieger Show and watch the slow speed moving around the ring.|
Muscava's Rocky was undoubtably one of the greatest all around athletic movers in Breed history if not the greatest. The other all time great mover beside Rocky and VA Dingo is X-Sensation Norton who was completely balanced and had extreme extension and follow through at both ends. His movement was poetry in motion and totally correct. He could go all day and moved like a well oiled machine, a real dynamo. He had great male type and was a powerhouse. His photo here does not do him justice. A truly great GSD.
by beetree on 23 February 2010 - 00:11
|I can see why there is confusion then, and Jemima better realize that when speaking about GSD's the term pace refers to a slower trot speed and the horse term pace refers to a two beat gait where legs of a same side move in unison. A pacing horse is considered to be faster and to use less effort. |
Jemima, how did you mean to use the word "pace" when you said pacing is a fault in other breeds?
by dogshome9 on 23 February 2010 - 01:19
|July9000, Great pictures. Nothing like seeing a dog do what it was bred to do and moving like that Poetry in Motion.|
Here are 2 photos of my girl at a Flying trot, she is no champion but she loves run.
She has her A Z and is Breed Survey Class 1
by EuroShepherd on 23 February 2010 - 02:15
|Here are pics of 2 of mine in flying trot. Notice with both dogs, all 4 feet are not touching the ground but they are very close to the ground. They are both trotting without being hindered by pulling on a lead. |
This is my best shot. While the lead is a lil tighter you can tell that he is not leaning into it, his feet are just skimming the ground.
by Preston on 23 February 2010 - 07:19
|July9000, now there is a working GSD that has excellent reach in front. Dogshom9 and Euroshepherd, your dogs move very, very nicely too. These are good examples of proper gaiting.|
Pacing is when both legs on the same side of the GSD move parallel. This is correct and is not fault at slower speeds of movement. It is considered incorrect by AKC judges but they are wrong. Just watch any German Sieger Show video or ask any SV judge or handler. Overly long dogs like the typical ASD do not opace at slower speeds.
by Penny on 23 February 2010 - 12:22
|Great moving pictures of very good dogs, and I have learned something too - there is such an expression as "flying Trot" which I had never heard before, I was thinking that it was referring to the very fast gaiting that spoils the look of the GSD throughout as they try to get faster and faster without galloping, then just end up with head down and the overline is spoiled. These animals above are really super to look at. Mo.|
by beetree on 23 February 2010 - 12:51
|Yes, breathtaking! And can we say unique to the GSD? Are there other dog breeds who do this like the GSD?|
by AmbiiGSD on 23 February 2010 - 13:14
|I'll help out with a Pacing pic.|
This is a very short coupled bitch pacing at low speed.
by beetree on 23 February 2010 - 14:15
|Yes, that is a true pace! Nice shot.|
by Sunsilver on 23 February 2010 - 14:24
Above, Luca von Huerta Hof, one of Robin's bitches. Robin says Dr. Martin Goldfarb wrote a very nice critique of her which was published in the GSDCA-WDA magazine.
Nice reach in the front there, but you can see how she's straining on the leash, and the gait would look even better if she were gaiting free.
by pod on 23 February 2010 - 22:36
|EuroShepherd's second dog is one of the few posted so far that is actually showing the flying trot at the moment of suspension. Most of the others are showing a four beat trot where the excessive angulation causes a shuffling incoordination, admittedly made much worse by straining on the lead. Note ES's dog is not excessively angulated.|
Agree with Preston in that the pace is a natural gait. Used for economy when the dog is tired and often seen in sled dogs working. But it can also be used by the dog to alleviate discomfort eg as a result of injury. I'm sure some judges do see the pace as a fault, but probably mostly because we like to assess movement at the trot.
The modern show GSD is not capable of single tracking because of excessive angulation. The rear footfalls pass either to the right or the left of the fore feet. This is easy to see on the Dingo video.
by dogshome9 on 23 February 2010 - 23:18
|Very good example of pacing, Thanks for that it helps others understand the difference.|
by Gustav on 24 February 2010 - 01:43
|Another dog that could flat out move was 90,91 Seiger Fanto v Hirshel. When he won the Seiger show the second time he just walked away from the two and three dogs never breaking his stride. Because of his lack of ability to produce top males I think he has never gotten his just dues...JMO.|
by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 24 February 2010 - 11:22
Agree totally, we were there 19 years ago and saw him - was totally mesmerised by his movement - a stunning animal. His influence is still around in some of today's pedigrees and no doubt he is passing on his movement to this day. He is definitely my all time favourite GSD having seen him in the flesh.
OFF LEAD GAITING AT EVENTS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THE REAL MOVEMENT OF THE GSD and hopefully there will be more of this in the future. We have young animals at our training that can off lead gait and they are not even in the adult classes yet - it is fantastic to see them doing it.
by Skippy on 24 February 2010 - 15:53
by july9000 on 24 February 2010 - 18:08
| Thank you guys for your comments |
Here's one of my very promising puppy until his testicules refused to show up!! He was 5 months old a the time. He is now living as a pet...
by beetree on 24 February 2010 - 18:31
|I answered my own question, I found another breed known for the flying trot:|
(Hi Missbeeb, I haven't forgotten....)
I don't think Jemima is looking for this info because she is a fan. Seems my research including other sites, show dog-folk with opinions that includes the thinking that breeders are responsible for this exaggerated gait, and this would fit into Jemima's longstanding theme of pedigreed breeding (for this gait,) is ruining the breed. JMHO
IMO, watching those herding pictures leaves me with no doubt that I am watching something both beautiful and natural in the dog gait called a flying trot.