German Shepherd Dog > Why not buy from USA (51 replies)
Why not buy from USA
by blair built gsd on 28 January 2010 - 06:58
|I want to know why i see so many Americans buying gsd from other country's especially Germany i myself have to be able to see with my own eyes at least one parent and i rely like to see both and i like to see the whole litter together and be able to see perspective pup buys to make sure that i am making the best decision i can on the puppy i am buying now there are all kinds of things to be looking at and for depending on what you are looking for in the puppy these things are impossible to find out from a phone call and some pictures or video clips now i do understand there can be situations where it can be done without actually flying over there but most of the time even traveling across the USA would be half the cost of a trip to Germany i would think plus all the horror story we read on here everyday about all kinds of ripoffs and we all heard the story's of them just selling us the junk which i have to give credit to since it was a big time German breeder that told me that and we know the gsds in the USA are as good as any once you find the rite one so tell me what am i missing it worth the risk or is it that people still believe you cant get a good gsd in the USA|
by mtndawg on 28 January 2010 - 18:22
|The longest sentence ever?|
by bea teifke on 28 January 2010 - 19:50
|yes , you can find good ones everywhere.|
you need to do your homework and check reference.
after getting scammed, i double and tripple check breeders now.
i prefer to see the litter too.
by VomRuiz on 28 January 2010 - 19:55
|I bought my dogs from Belgium. The one I have from Germany was a gift. |
I have never seen the parents of any of my dogs in person, only by pictures and videos. The breeder came highly recommended to me and so I went by the breeder's word and have been very happy.
I also have a friend over there who gives me his advice when litters come available.
My reason for buying outside the US is because I have come to know my breeder very well and he breeds and owns some amazing dogs. Their pedigrees are outstanding and he has very high standards in chosing his breeding stock.
I believe you can get a good dog in the US. However, I paid less for each of my puppies ( including shipping ) than I would have here NOT including shipping, or driving halfway across the country.
Remember there are stories with very happy endings too.... And also horror stories from people who have bought dogs/puppies here
by blair built gsd on 29 January 2010 - 07:41
|You are lucky to have a relationship like that most of us don't and i promise you wont be scammed if you go there see the dogs and leave with the exact one you like and want|
by VomRuiz on 29 January 2010 - 22:45
|I am lucky, but I will say while going through the process of buying my first one I was a nervous wreck! LOL|
by mockbam5 on 29 January 2010 - 23:55
I just purchased my puppy from Germany. He will arrive on 02/03/2010, I can't wait!
by Prager on 30 January 2010 - 02:47
|Because in Europe they have better dogs.|
by gsdsch3v on 30 January 2010 - 04:11
|No just more choices, more clubs and more trial/testing opportunities. I don't think the quality of my "C" litter is worse than my "A" litter simply because of where they were born. One of the best dogs I ever had came from America, the grandfather of my dog was from an old school breeder who valued working ability and bred for it. His dogs had been here for several generations. The breeder of my old dog aslo valued working ability and bred for it. Because they chose breeding partners wisely I ended up with a dog that could do anything I asked of him from herding sheep to schutzhund. I took him with me when I was stationed in Germany and kept him at a kennel owned by a police dog handler, (I was single and lived in the barracks at the time) and he liked the dog. When I changed stations to another German post I was able to work with the sheepherder who ran sheep by our military post, again the dog showed his natural ability.|
You just have to look and not automatically count out the "hobby" breeder who only breeds a litter every few years but yet keeps back and works some of the offspring from those litters!
That being said I have seen many many crappy dogs in europe also out of both working and show lines.
by gsdsch3v on 01 February 2010 - 06:19
by blair built gsd on 02 February 2010 - 07:14
|I just think you can get just as good of a dog here in the US. If you live here i cant see a reason without haveing a good relationship with a breeder out side the country that anyone should take a chance on a dog by word of mouth anyway.|
by mockbam5 on 02 February 2010 - 07:42
|I took a chance on a dog by mouth. The breeder is Dirk Wortmann he is from osterberger land kennel in Germany. I will tell you all how the puppy is in 2 days. I'm about %70 percent nervous and %30 percent excited.|
by steve1 on 03 February 2010 - 13:37
Good Luck with the Pup Hope he arrives safely and in good shape from the flight and is all you wish for in the Pup
by mirasmom on 03 February 2010 - 23:52
My dogs do have some great bloodlines from imported relatives,
If you are a crappy kennel , word will spread fast, no matter where you live, also the same is true of a good kennel.
I just recently used an East German import, and am so happy with the pup I kept!
I won't ship my pups, cause, what if the people are not totally honest on the other end, and your pup winds up in a puppy-mill or pet shop, I could not sleep at night, not meeting the family who is getting a pup from me.
I think you need to use imports or get a pup from Germany to add to your kennel if you are breeding Shepherds, after all, that's were the breed originated, German bloodlines is just that.
I would import a pup if I was so inclined, but I am very happy with the imports that are made available in the US.
Also, American lines are just that...German Shepherd? American Shepherd?
by CSMHM0 on 05 February 2010 - 04:20
|Do your homework when selecting your breeder, you can get both good and bad in the US and Germany(and other countries).|
A Good Dog is a Good Dog, he doesn't know where he was born.
by animules on 05 February 2010 - 15:02
|A better chance of finding the bloodlines wanted closer up.|
by CSMHM0 on 05 February 2010 - 22:09
|Why is anyone concerned about what country the dog comes from? If you know the pedigree, know the parents, siblings and at least 50 percent of the dogs in the first five generation pedigree, you probably will do fairly well. As an American breeder I would love to find a great dog that meets the standard from another country for one reason---increase the genetic material.|
But since we live in America and don't spend any time going to Europe or South America or even Mexico to study the dogs in their kennels, am I supposed to breed in the blind and go by titles, a stamps, fast normals without even knowing the dogs or their littermates?
Sorry, it is a full time studying job keeping up with the dogs in our own country. I am waiting for the person who will import a magnificent prepotent dog to America, and I am certainly not alone in this.
If you are buying a mail order dog and are not a member of an organization (like a police department or guide dog organization) you are asking for trouble in my humble opinion. They have experienced brokers who do know the dogs and its family, and have recourse if the dog is not as advertised. What is a person alone going to do? My advice is buy from a reputable breeder where you can visit his/her kennel and develop a relationship with that person. In 30 years we have had one dog returned because we screen our buyers as good as they screen us. And frankly, the return was one of the best things that came from that person. Sheila Metz, Lindenhill German Shepherd Dogs, and proud they are American bred.
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 05 February 2010 - 23:12
|I don't know why or why not buy here or there. You can get good dogs in USA, you can get good dogs overseas, and you can get bad dogs in the same places.|
Countries where the dog is coming from, don'tmatter. The dog matters. You think the dog has a concept of borders or lol passports? A tree to pee on is the same to him in any country. Research the breeders and individual dogs. I don't care if I have to go to, say, Australia to get a dog that I want or to get it from Bob 3 streets down from me, again, if it's a dog that I want.
I think there is a certain level or "marketing", mustique and my dickis bigger than your dick. Instead of saying, I got the dog from a breeder in Ohio, it sure sounds better to us unwashed masses when the dog owner casually drops - Oh, I imported him from Eastern Europe or, Oh, I flew the dog here from Germany.... WOW! Germany! Sure is better than a dog from friggin' French Lick, Indiana!
Same reason people get Lamborghinis ir Ferraris or Corvettes, instead of a pickup truck or Toyota Camry.
Now, peoplethat REALLY know dogs, I mean REALLY know - will actualy go to those places and import dogs. But,THOSE dogs are definitely worldclass dogs,not just A dog, but THE dog.
by ShadyLady on 06 February 2010 - 01:06
Some people will not buy an animal that they can't be in person to see, but if there is an animal you want, be it a dog, a horse, a parrot...and you cannot go to that place, what do you do?
Not all Americans buy outside the country. Again, it's not about what country you buy in that determines if you will get screwed over or not!
There is always, always, always risk. If more people took their time and did more research, there would be less heartache.
I've bought many dogs from inside the US, to Canada, Germany, Yugoslavia & Belgium. I've had some lemons, but my very best experiences were because I took more time and talked to people who had dogs from these breeders or trainers and judges who knew more details than I could ever find out alone.
The dog world may seem large, but everyone knows someone who knows someone where you can get information and in reality, it's a small world (after all - haha).
by steve1 on 06 February 2010 - 13:03
|As Shady Lady says on a board like this there is someone you can ask if buying from a certain country. You can always drop that person a PM and ask if they know of the breeder in question, They have nothing to lose or gain by not helping you out|
Then once that bit is past get to know about the Kennel and breeder do not be frightened to ask frank questions for if the person gwets angry or gibs then you know what to do give them a polite thank you and have no more to do with that kennel.
In other words do the home work first and anything which you need to know ask For myself other than Belgium i do not know many breeders to say who is who, So i would never advise anyone on them