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PANO? Help! by starwave on 31 December 2009 - 22:24 |
| Hi, everyone. I am new here and have some questions about pano. About two months ago, my pup's front right leg became limping suddenly. She was 8 months at that time, 63lb. I restricted her acitivity. After two weeks, the pain became very mild, but one day suddenly it switched to her front left leg, and it was very severe. She couldn't walk at all. I took her to the vet. The vet found the pain was at her elbow, but the blood test and x-ray didn't show anything wrong. The vet gave me some Previcox. I kept restricting my pup's activity and gave her the drug, which lasted for one week. It didn't help a lot, either. I guessed it's pano and just hoped it could go away itself. After about another week, my pup recovered suddenly... After that, I gave her ~30 minutes free running/playing in the dog park, and a 30-minute walk per day. Yesterday, she started to limp again! :( still the front left leg, but the limping was mild, not as bad as the first time. Do you think it's pano? Does pano come back so quickly? Should I take her to the vet again? Also, I don't know how much exercise I should give her now. I am not sure if I have let her run too much in the past two weeks... Any advice is welcome! |
by AmbiiGSD on 31 December 2009 - 22:44 |
| OK couple of things to check: Your pup can run with no issues? The limp is only when your pup walks, NOT when it runs? Take a look at the dog when it's stood from the side, is the pup sat back on it's heels (Like a horse with Laminitus - google it if you need a picture) If the pup is rocked backwards is the back hunched? If you answer yes to one or all of these it's most likely panno and the only real cure is rest, and more rest. Oh and lower the protein levels you are feeding will help. NB I'm not a vet, and if you are worried I'd get a second opinion. |
AmbiiGSD by starwave on 31 December 2009 - 23:00 |
| She can run. I didn't see obvious limpping during running. The limpping is mostly abvious after she wakes up. When she is exciting, it's difficult to tell. I don't remember the standing position clearly... I have a video though, which was taken when she had front left leg pain at the first time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQJsfEJfv1s |
by Lief on 31 December 2009 - 23:43 |
| you could submit the x-ray to OFA for a consult they look at them under hot lights and can sometimes see pano If the elbow is normal than I wouldn't worry ,call the breeder and ask them if they know of pano in that line I used this solid black male for a couple years that always threw pano but the dogs always x rayed out later |
Lief by mirasmom on 01 January 2010 - 03:45 |
| Patience patience patience If not for yourself, than for your dogs! P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E People are in such a hurry to fix things, Pano can take up to two years to go away, WALK IT OFF, Don't baby your dog, he's just got growing pains, WALK IT OFF......... Be lucky he doesn't have HD, or epilepsy, or DM, or Megaesophagus, or PED, GOD Just give him some Bufferin asprin, please, don't subject your dog to going to the money hungry vet, that will give your dog unnecessary pain medications, that are just the same as Bufferin asprin, my dog has pano, he is six months old, it came & went & came back, OH MY!, he gets 325 mls of Bufferin asprin a day, and limited exercise, that's it. |
mirasmom by Jenni78 on 01 January 2010 - 03:56 |
| I haven't seen a difference in exercise vs. rest in terms of pain, but my dog had very high pain tresholds. On the contrary, you don't want to risk so much rest that you get muscle atrophy in the affected leg; that can show up later and screw up your hip/elbow ratings. I gave up trying to fix it and just let them do what they felt up to doing. I also didn't find that any diet really helped either. It seems to be more in some lines than others, but it's more of a nuisance than a real health issue and it's self limiting. It definitely sounds like Pano from your description of it's moving from one leg to the next, although males are more likely to get it than females. I had one male get it at almost 3 years old. Seriously. |
Jenni78 by hodie on 01 January 2010 - 04:01 |
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by Lief on 01 January 2010 - 12:01 |
| uh mirasnmom I was saying the dog threw pano,and inflamation of the lining if the bone is painful not everyone wants to sit around watching the dog in pain I see you breed Labradors I'm curious why you guys don't do the basic testing?? CERF Optigen and EIC/CNM tesing are really important in this breed I encourage anyone who breeds to get these tests |
by mirasmom on 01 January 2010 - 18:01 |
| Sorry I was bitchy to you Lief, I shouldn't have said that, I agree with you, that testing should be done for eyes & EIC/CNM, I do test eyes, I just haven't cerf'd them, even if you do the optigen eye test for PRA, you still need to do a yearly eye test. We are lucky to be able to check through DNA, Again, sorry for my lame remark, Paula |
by Lief on 01 January 2010 - 18:47 |
| oh no problem |
by mirasmom on 01 January 2010 - 22:13 |
| Cool, And Happy New Year!!!  |
by mirasmom on 03 January 2010 - 23:38 |
Starwave, This is Rollie on the left,, his leg hurt so bad he was holding it up a bit...he is the first dog that I have ever owned that had pano,
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by mick7227 on 04 January 2010 - 19:14 |
| hi, mentioned above about getting xrays done. its vital that you do and try to make sure the vet knows what they are doing. i had a young bitch of the same age misdiagnosed with pano turned out to have a fracture of the coronoid process and un-united anconeal process. if you get a ortho vet to consult it may make a huge difference to your dog's future. try to speak to Fred Lanting if you can or get his orthopaedic book. Try to keep your dog lean whilst they go through the worst of it if it's just pano. good luck |
by Weezy on 04 January 2010 - 20:32 |
| I too feel Pano runs more in some lines. I never had a shepherd with Pano until a couple years ago, and then I had 2 related dogs that had it. the male much worse than the female. His hit the first time at about 7 months of age, last about 2 weeks,again at 15 months of age-worse than the first time altering front legs, lasted about a month, then again at about 18-19 months and lasted for another month and limped terribly. put him on some aspirin to help with the pain and let him exercise as much as he wanted, but since he was so painful, he really limited his exercise and made no attempts at running, I had also cut his food back to slow his growth at the 7 months and he still went through it and worse the next couple of times. The female just went through it at about 8 months and lasted a couple of weeks and never appeared again on her. Has anyone dealt with hairline fractures with their dogs that had pano? Mirasmom,- Rolli is a Handsom boy.  |
Weezy by mirasmom on 05 January 2010 - 17:44 |
Thank-You Weezy,
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by VomMarischal on 05 January 2010 - 17:48 |
| Weezy...Wait, you "cut his food back" to slow his growth? That seems really weird....they still need lots of FOOD during growth, just not so much protein in it! |
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