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For Muslim GSD owners/breeders (THREAD ENDED) by hamza166 on 23 December 2009 - 10:49 |
| I was reading the Hadith, yesterday evening and saw that the prophet said the following: THE BOOK OF SALES(BARGAINS): Chapter 57: The Price Of A Dog Allah's Messenger forbade taking the price of a dog, money earned by prostitution & the earnings of a soothsayer. My question for this is: If he said that it should be forbidden, to sell a dog, and he didnt sell a dog, how come many Muslims, including me, still do it? To be honest, me & my family were not aware of this until yesterday, and we have sold many dogs. Also: THE BOOK OF HIRING: Chapter 6: Charging for the semen of a male animal, I.E: The copulation of animals The Prophet forbade taking a price for animal copulation My question for this is: if he forbade this as well, how come Muslims, thar are breeders, often still ask for Stud Fees. Although it is a problem which can be easily resolved. Can the Owner of This Website, Please delete or Close This Thread |
hamza166 by happyday on 23 December 2009 - 13:26 |
Hamza My question to you is - are you now- knowing this - still going to buy and sell dogs?
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by hamza166 on 23 December 2009 - 14:04 |
| Happyday, yes i probably will, as i just read this explained carefully, and that this is not a major rule, but instead something that the Prophet suggested. So yes i probably will still, but just for some people who wish to know the full extent here it is |
by TessJ10 on 23 December 2009 - 14:49 |
| "this is not a major rule, but instead something that the Prophet suggested. " Ah, you mean like the Pirates Code in Pirates of the Carribbean?  "And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules." |
by missbeeb on 23 December 2009 - 15:22 |
Jeeze... can we leave religion off PDB or at the very least use the General Topic option? |
missbeeb by gsm44 on 23 December 2009 - 16:17 |
RED-FACED police have apologised for using a pup in an advertising campaign - because it offended Muslims. They have admitted an "oversight" after complaints from Islamic residents who consider dogs "ritually unclean". Six-month-old trainee police dog Rebel is at the centre of the row. The German Shepherd was pictured next to a police hat and telephone on a card highlighting the Tayside force's new non-emergency contact number. Thousands were sent out to addresses in the Dundee area. But Muslims were angry and their local councillor raised their concerns. Now police chiefs are investigating the failure to spot the potential for controversy over using little Rebel - named after a contest among primary schoolchildren. A spokesman for Tayside Police said: "Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks, as our newest canine recruit. "His incredible popularity - on one day, he attracted over 20,000 hits on our website - led us to believe Rebel could play a starring role in the promotion of our non-emergency number. "We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused." Councillor Mohammed Asif brought the matter to the attention of Chief Constable John Vine. Asif said yesterday: "My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards. It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities. "The police should have understood. Since then, they have explained that it was an oversight on their part and that if they'd seen it was going to cause upset, they wouldn't have done it." Asif, a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, added: "If people come to me with complaints and issues about the police, I have to raise them. "A number of locals said it was not right to use the dog and asked if I could do something. "I'm satisfied the matter is being investigated and a solution will be found." Rebel has proved a popular recruit after coming through the first Lothian and Borders Police dog-breeding programme. He was named after visiting St Ninian's Primary School in Dundee and many have been following his exploits through an online training diary. He was named after visiting St Ninian's Primary School in Dundee and many have been following his exploits through an online training diary. In conclusion Hamza,perhaps you and your family shouldn't have dogs at all!! |
by hamza166 on 23 December 2009 - 16:34 |
| OK you dont want this topic here. Sorry |
by Christopher Smith on 23 December 2009 - 16:51 |
| You should speak to your Imam about this. |
by hamza166 on 23 December 2009 - 17:24 |
| Christopher good point. I will. Thank you |
by Kaffirdog on 23 December 2009 - 17:44 |
| I found this an interesting observation. I'm sure there are other Muslims on this board and I'd be interested to hear their views on this too. Seems topical to me if we are talking about Muslims who breed and sell GSDs and not degenerating into a Muslim bashing thread. Margaret N-J |
Kaffirdog by Mystere on 23 December 2009 - 18:46 |
| At least it IS dog-related, so I see no problem with it. JMHO It seems to me that this is like the Christian edicts concerning money-lending and usury... which seems to be more observed in the breach, than in the practice. The issue regarding AI is very interesting, as it relates to some of the animals in our food supply, as well, particularly in the cattle and dairy industries. Hamza: I would be interested in reading an update, after you speak with your Imam. Please let me know by pm, if you feel uncomfortable placing it on the site. Thank you. Salaam Alaikum |
Mystere by SitasMom on 23 December 2009 - 19:07 |
| I too feel that this is a very interesting and revelent topic - please continue! |
by freemont on 23 December 2009 - 19:12 |
| Hamza et al, Aren't muslims not to have any dogs because they are considered "unclean"? I am surprised to see any muslim breeders or owners on the board at all. Just curious.... maybe you could clear this issue up for all to see. Thanks, Freemont |
by SitasMom on 23 December 2009 - 19:22 |
| The Koran, on the other hand talks about the sleepers in the cave (sura 18) as having a dog, inside their dwelling place and allows meat killed by hunting dogs. There is nothing in the Koran, which even remotely suggests that dogs are unclean as pets. Indeed the Koran states that God has subjected animals to be of use to humankind. So which does one follow the actual Koran or the writing of the Prophets? |
by happyday on 23 December 2009 - 19:50 |
I don't find any problem with it either - This board is for information - "dog related" and this is related. If someone has the mind to post it - then they should be allowed to do so...if you dont like it don't read it... I too would be interested in what the outcome is when you speak to this Imam. What if he tells you -your interpretation is wrong and he interpretion is that you shouldn't buy or sell dogs. What then?
Happyday |
by Turk on 23 December 2009 - 20:08 |
If I were a memeber of a religious messageboard, I highly doubt that anything to do with canines (like breeding, feeding, training) would be a topic relavant of discussion. |
Turk by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 23 December 2009 - 20:59 |
| Hmmm. Interesting. I am a Muslim and it seems there are genuinely a few here that have asked some valid questions. I will attempt to answer with what knowledge I have. A lot of the "stuff" heard by people is more to do with the customs of the countries originated than with actual religion or religious edicts. Prophet Muhammad himself had a dog as well, a highly prized hunting Saluki dog and the genral consensus of everyone and the prophet himself is the dog has to do something valuable to earn its keep. I agree 100% with that statement and findnothing contradictory about it. If my dog is just sittign like a lug by the fireplace and spreading fleas on the carpt, what's thepoint of having it? A dog's value to us humans is assisting us and in doing tasks for us, being in a symbiotic relationship, guard house, hunt game, flock sheep, sniffbombs,sniff drugs, apprehend criminals, search and rescue, cadaver search and so on and so on. For the person to ask who to follow Quran or Prophet's Hadith - If the 2 are found to differ, you go by Quran every single time, in other words, Quran trumps Prophet's Hadith every single time and that has been reiterated ad nauseum by the Prophet himself, often saying: If I say something that is at odds with Quran, you go by the Quran, for I am just a man myself, no different than any of you are. Regarding "unclean". At the timeof the Prophet, they had service dogs, meaning they had guard dogs and they had hunting dogs. Reffering to "unclean" dogs is talking about the strays that were roaming, had diseases, were in fact "unclean" or with rabbies, were biting and pestering people stealing food etc... Prophet did say that those dogs should be killed,not the dogs that were beneficial to its human masters. They were actualy quite prized, and asI mentioned above, even the Prophet himself had a Saluki hunting dog at some point. Also, the People of the cave had a dog with them and that was mentioned as well.No contradictions, there. Where allthis stems from is in those parts of the world, people don't have, what we call here "pets", like having a dog forsake of having a dog. Like having a poodle and giving her manicure or pedicure, blow drying her hair, Westminster crap, or aChihuahua with "designer sweaters"on it, with pink colored shirts saying I am mommy's girl etc... etc... I even saw a lady with a Chihuahua that has some sort of a "harness" once! Funniest thing I ever saw. Those people there live a much harsher life than we do here and they find it hard to comprehend that if a head of a family has a hard time to provide dinner for the kids to have a dog that will just sit around, do nothing to contribute to the well being of the family and be another mouth to feed. More on regarding "unclean". Say I have a plate of cereal on my table... Phone rings, I go to answer and the dog sneaks up and east it all. What now? That particular plate is now considered unclean for use for me and I have to wash it "7 times" (meaning wash it thoroughly) before being used again. If somebody gets allhung up about "washing 7 times", don't take it literally, it'sa figure of speech,same as saying "he was sailing 7 seas", not literally meaning geographically 7 seas, but rather sailing far away. Also, one does not have to be a Muslim to consider a person sleeping in the same bed with his/her dog as not the cleanest way to spend the night that there is. I donot have knowledge about AI semen sales or stud fees that are mentioned before, as I am not a breeder and I didn't take any time to research those topics in regards of what Islam says about that,so in short, I have no clue what's up with that |
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 23 December 2009 - 21:01 |
| I do not have knowledge about AI semen sales or stud fees that are mentioned before, as I am not a breeder and I didn't take any time to research those topics in regards of what Islam says about that,so in short, I have no clue what's up with that and I opendly admit that, rather than talk crap that is a matter of opinion and not research. I hope this that I wrote helps to clarify. |
by GSDSRULE on 23 December 2009 - 22:18 |
| Fuck muslims and the stinky ass camels they rode in on. Hypocrites, degenerates and shit disturbing pieces of steaming dung. Always going to another country and trying to force their caveman bullshit on everyone else. Fuck em. Stay in your own damn countries with your weird ass rules and bullshit. |
GSDSRULE by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 23 December 2009 - 22:20 |
| LOL. Merry Christmas to you as well. Funny. |
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