German Shepherd Dog > The most extreme? (120 replies)
by Sunsilver on 30 October 2009 - 23:57
|Rik, I agree. It HAS to be a female!|
Here's a male with his boy bits hidden by fur. He could use more bone, but the head looks male: (And no, this particular dog is NOT being posted as an example of an extreme dog. He's got fairly decent structure.)
by Xeph on 31 October 2009 - 05:00
|I have to say that I do believe that is the same faded dog just stacked in a different direction. The handler is wearing the same jumpsuit.|
by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 06:02
|And the same tennis shoes with the wierd yellow places.|
by patamoke01 on 31 October 2009 - 11:02
|The one with the weak pasterns and the head directly looking over the shoulders is just making me cringe, I wonder how much co-ordination that dog has while its trotting round the ring? The one that dawgesome sent aswell is shocking.|
How can people think these dogs are sound enough to work or even be correct for the ring, it is just beyond me.
by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 11:04
|WHAT'S THIS THEN? People daring to have opinions on others dogs, ripping them to shreads based on pictures? That's not permitted on here, surely? Is it not normal now for some smart arse to come along and ask everyone for their crudentials? Where's the " show me your dogs" brigade? Not surprised to see the ring leader here though, that's all she posts about, i am surprised by a couple of other posters whom i thought would have known better. AS I SAID BEFORE, in most of these "photo's" SACK THE HANDLER!!!!!!!|
by Rik on 31 October 2009 - 13:50
|hello bazza, I don't post pics of other's dogs, most issues, good or bad, I can discuss using my own dogs. |
Here is a fairly extreme female from my days when I thought I could be a breeder. She got a couple of points, but in the end, she had too much rear for the all breed ring and not quite enough front for the specialty ring.
I think she is fairly typical of much from the Am. S/L. Over done in the rear, The upper arm is long enough but poor placement.
Negative comments do not offend me at all. She was what she was.
by crhuerta on 31 October 2009 - 14:06
I would hope by now, you should see that I don't post "trashings" of anyone.
I can comment on a "critque" of a dog, when it is asked..........
I don't think the intent of most people is in malice.........and I do find the "pics" of the 2 "butt" pictures histerical!
Hell......it could be MY fat butt thats bent over in the GSD Shows!!
by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 14:47
|Robin, i most certainly do know you do not post "trashings". I also found the butt pictures hilarious, maybe the butt lady would not find it so hilarious to know her photo was splattered all over the internet!! I would also value any "critique" you gave as i would know it was given with experience and years of knowledge behind it. However there are two posters here who posted pictures of someones dogs for no other reason to be malicious. One of those posters is forever running down show line dogs as if she had any real knowledge of the breed. She owns a "didn't quite make the standard" show line, and recently purchased a Shiloh, and sits at her computer all day scouring for " ugly dogs" for her personal collection. She has absolutely no knowledge, other than what she reads on the internet, of a correct GSD or not, as is evident here by her comments on conformation. I am afraid her ignorance shines through every time, and because of this total ignorance of the gsd standard and how to actually apply it, i find her comments angersome and think she should keep that large hole directly below her nose tightly shut. Or if that is too hard go back to advising on the SHILOH or how to keep your females panty pad in place during a season!!!!!!!|
by Sunsilver on 31 October 2009 - 15:02
1) I did NOT START THIS THREAD
2) I am not the only one who keeps a file of dogs whose structure is 'way out there'
3) I am, however, the one who started THIS thread, to counterbalance this 'extreme dog' thread: Dogs That Catch Your Eye
4) I have NEVER EVER trashed anyone on the PDB, or any other message board the way you just trashed me. Class act, Bazza, real classy!
As far as these pictures go, anyone who breeds dogs like the above, and thinks they are 'correct' needs a wakeup call! Breeders need to stop breeding for extremes, and focus more on function and making sure the dog is capable of doing the job it was originally bred to do.
And this applies to ALL breeds, not just the GSD.
AS for the 'panty pad', now you're REALLY being ridiculous! I suppose your house is set up solely for the comfort and convenience of your dogs, Bazza? No carpets anywhere? No expensive wall-to-wall broadloom? Either that, or you must really LIKE cleaning blood out of the rugs! At the time I first tried this for an in-season bitch, I was living in someone else's home, and the whole main floor was broadloom. It was the bitch's first season, but she had a very heavy flow. (I had her spayed soon after, as she was a rescue.)
I do not have a kennel for my dogs, and do not want to keep an in-season bitch crated except for potty breaks. Unfortunately, this time the pad didn't work, as Star kept tearing it out of the 'seasonals' panty, and eating it. I originally bought the 'Seasonals' panty to keep Ranger from licking his incision when I had him neutered. It was a good alternative to those blasted e-collars, which he couldn't seem to get used to.
by Sunsilver on 31 October 2009 - 15:10
|Xeph, it is the same dog. I flipped the picture, so it was easier to compare the dog with the one I posted. I was thinking they MIGHT be the same dog, but they obvioulsly aren't. |
Sorry for the confusion!
by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 17:45
|Sunsilver, never mentioned you by name but..... if the shoe fits...... So it is alright for you to trash theses dogs with your limited knowledge but " don't trash me" is that what you're saying? Not one of these dog's owners/breeders have come on here and said they think this is a correct gsd, so where is your arguement? I am not the first here to comment on the nonsense you post, and i certainly won't be the last. I also never said you started this thread, but you were quick to get your" ugly file" out for the zillionth time!!! Always the same any mention of showlines, overangulation,etc. etc. and out comes Sunsilver's infamous "ugly file", rather immature don't you think? And this applies to anyone sad enough who sit their looking for BAD PHOTOGRAPHS of dogs to keep on file. Have anyone of you slagging of these dogs seen them in the flesh? Think how you would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. 9 times out of 10 you will find the handler is to blame for not presenting a dog correctly. Sunsilver, yes i too have a fully carpeted house, the dogs i have inside are confined to an area that is easy to clean during seasons, NOT CRATED. I do hope you take her panty pad, with gents underpants turned round to accomodate the tail, off before you enter the schutzund field,lol,lol. No real malice intended, just having a laugh at your dogs expense like you have done with the above. Unless of course you actually were commenting with malice!!!!!!|
by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 18:15
|I do hope all you honest to goodnes experts here have the permission of all the owners to post the pictures of the dogs for you to critique. Of course you have, silly me, you girls asked the owners if you could copy their dogs pictures to your " ugly files", and copy them here for an expert opinion, and all the owners said " yes, of course you can, you go ahead and slag them off all you like". I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!|
by Sunsilver on 31 October 2009 - 18:30
Sunsilver, never mentioned you by name but..... if the shoe fits......
No personal malice was intended with any of those pictures. I don't know any of the owners or handlers.
by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 18:44
|Now it's my turn to splurt the coffee. This has to be a joke no malice intended? Then go on to describe someones dog as being crossed with a dwarf breed like a corgi. You still have not answered if you have PERMISSION to use any photograph. My advice to you would be to stick to that other breed you have, you most certainly have a vast knowledge of them, just a shame nobody here is interested in Shiloh's. I'm sure they must have a forum of some sorts where you could advise people, it might keep you away from posting utter pish about gsd's. |
by Red Sable on 31 October 2009 - 18:55
|I disagree with you Bazza. This is a breed I love, the only breed actually. No one has given birth to these dogs, but someone is breeding very poor specimans, and someone else is putting them on the podium. That is WRONG!!! If it takes someone to show the wrong doings of breeders and judges to wake people up than GOOD. For every newbie looking for a GSD, I hope they read this thread. |
If you want to trash my dog, go ahead. I didn't breed nor give birth to her. I already know her faults. Why would I take it personally? If I did breed a crippled looking dog, than shame on me, and yes, I deserve to hear about it.
This breed will never get out of the mess it is in if we all turn a blind eye and lie, lie, lie, "yes, you have a great dog there, you should breed it!"
by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 19:22
|Bazza, is someone forcing you to read these posts? Perhaps you should skip over them if you find they |
offend your delicate sensabilities. Who died and made you the be all and end all of this boards and German
by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 19:30
|And go ahead and trash me and my dog. I don't show or breed, never will. But my $150 BYB girl is|
sound enough to run/trot 5 miles at a time, can fetch the ball far longer than I can throw it, is pleasing
to my eye and has a good life here.
by Ninja181 on 31 October 2009 - 20:35
|I think what bazza is saying here is that although these aren't perfect dogs, a lot of them are so poorly stacked you really can't tell how bad the dog is. Go back and look at the first example on this thread. Instead of one of the rear legs back, they both are back, also past vertical. The rear feet are pointed like a clock at ten minutes to two, or two hockey sticks coming down the ice. Is the dog as bad as it looks? Or is the stack making it look ten times worse?|
Also there was a past post about violating copyrights when using someone elses pictures without their permission. Many of the people here were all over the people doing this when of course they are probably keeping files on other peoples dogs. Hey we are probably all guilty of coping some pictures.
I guess I just wanted to say I know where Bazza is coming from after reading his posts.
by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 21:38
|Why "stack" dogs anyway? Why not let them stand like nature intended? Then you couldn't say, it's the stack that|
makes the dog look like that.
by Ibrahim on 31 October 2009 - 22:30
I have little knowledge to comment on the above dogs, I think if I had the knowledge I would have commented on those pictures no doubt, I think if I also had my own file of extreme dogs I would have shared with you some photoes.
I think all of those who posted on this thread enjoyed themselves as the topic is important and at the same time interesting. If anything is wrong in this thread I do not think the blame should go only on Sunsilver as we are all guilty (If the thread itself is wrong) which I think is not.
When people post pictures of their dogs on the net, when they show them in the ring and when they put them in competition the dogs in a way become public. Others have the right to comment on them whether positively or negatively. If some one does not want others to comment on his or her dog then the dog should not be shown and brought to public.
The only thing which is wrong is to take a picture of some one else's dog and use it in an ill way such as pretending it is yours or use it in promoting your own product etc.
If the intentions behind a critique are healthy then there is no harm at all.