German Shepherd Dog > Panacur vs Flagyl for treating Diarrhea (11 replies)

by jc.carroll on 06 August 2010 - 01:08

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I'm just curious which most folks prefer to use for GSD "digestive issues."

My two GSDs hike, swim, and are not the most discriminating creatures when it comes to their drinking-water source. They seem to figure, why drink from the jug I've brought when a muddy puddle is more convient? *ack!*

So, now the results is diarrhea.

All are UTD on their shots. No positives on a giardia test, though that doesn't always mean anything. I'm doing a panacur treatment -- just started day 1 of 5 -- and of course cleaning and bleaching -everything!-. The dogs' appetities are a bit reduced, but they're drinking normally, and their urine is a well-hydrated color. Activity level is pretty much normal. Not all the pack has gotten upset stomachs, and I plan to keep it that way if I can.

I've had this happen before, and always had great luck with panacur clearing it up.

I've never tried flagyl, but I'm wondering if anyone has, and how well it works?



by Kimmelot on 06 August 2010 - 05:08

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Well first off it won't stop diarreah, try Immodium or Pepto Bismol :) Did you know that Pepto Bismol ( bisthmoth) really cut some germs down, including the ulcer causing H. pylori . http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hpylori/ ( typical of pigs and humans) . I use it on my pups and kids with no ill effects. Dosage- you would have to ask your Dr..
Whisper Gray

by hutch on 06 August 2010 - 08:08

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My personal experience is that Panacur always gives my dogs diarrheoa! For worming I use Drontal but I would not worm a dog that has an upset stomach.

For diarrheoa it is 24 hours of water only and then minced chicken with brown rice. If it has been prolonged I would also want dioralyte in the water.

Shirley 

by Spooks on 06 August 2010 - 09:08

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I always give Salazopyrin [prescription] if diarrhoea looks like it could be persistent. My dog gets the squits with drinking from puddles, rivers and the sea.

by malshep on 06 August 2010 - 11:08

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We use both during the treatment.
Always,
Cee

by jc.carroll on 06 August 2010 - 11:08

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Perhaps I should have clarified:

It's not a matter of using panacur or flagyl to treat the symptom (diarrhea), but to cure the cause. I figured folks here would know panacur won't stop diarrhea...

by Spooks on 06 August 2010 - 12:08

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@ jc.carroll

My two GSDs hike, swim, and are not the most discriminating creatures when it comes to their drinking-water source. They seem to figure, why drink from the jug I've brought when a muddy puddle is more convient? *ack!*



^^^^ I think you have answered your own question asking for a cause....

You could always muzzle them so they can't drink from a muddly puddle.

by jc.carroll on 06 August 2010 - 12:08

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*facepalm* Looking for a comparison between panacur and flagyl here.

by hutch on 06 August 2010 - 13:08

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If you are after getting rid of the cause then I would get a definate identification and use a specific prescription treatment.

Very hard to stop them drinking from puddles I know but weedkiller can sit on top of puddles for ages and can kill so if you can't be certain of the area you are in then perhaps you could take some clean water with you and offer that?

by AandA on 06 August 2010 - 13:08

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Starve them of all solids for 24 hours but let them drink (only) water as freely as they want. You need to get them to empty their complete digestive tract including any ingested irritant.

First meal back make as light as possible and not too much of it. Good old plain boiled rice with boiled chicken and perhaps a little stock from made from the frame. Make sure it's not too fatty. A good big blob of honey does wonders here both as an energy provider and a mild stomach calmer - honey is great for down in the dump hounds.

Feed at normal times with increasing quantities of the same chicken, rice & honey and check the first stool passed. If it's starting to look good then you can gradually introduce the usual diet and wean off the chicken and rice.

AandA

by Spooks on 06 August 2010 - 14:08

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@jc.carroll
*facepalm* Looking for a comparison between panacur and flagyl here.

Well silly me, I could have sworn you asked for a cure for the cause. 

@jc.carrol
Perhaps I should have clarified:

It's not a matter of using panacur or flagyl to treat the symptom (diarrhea), but to cure the cause. I figured folks here would know panacur won't stop diarrhea...


If your dogs have been tested negative for Giardia, why are you wanting to use Panacur and / or Flagyl?
Wouldn't it be prudent to get a professional diagnosis first re: what medication to give, you would have to see a vet anyway to get Flagyl as it's an AB, so definitely a prescription medicine. 

The dogs could just have plain old recurring colitis from ingesting dirty water and just need starving for 24 hours and put on a light diet.

by gagsd4 on 06 August 2010 - 16:08

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Not for the OP:
Giardia comes from dirty/standing water. It causes diarrhea.
SNAP tests for Giardia are often inaccurate and give many false negatives. SNAP tests (or floats) are what most vet clinics use.
Fenbendazole and metronidazole (panacur and flagyl) are often used to treat giardia.\

For the OP:
I always use the panacur. Dosage  is 25-50 mg/kg by mouth, once a day for 3-5 days. I never bother with the flagyl as rate of success is 67% v. panacur's rate of 90%.
Canned pumpkin (not the pie filling) added to their food helps the symptoms.

Good luck and have fun swimming:)

--Mary

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