Quote: Jeff: Much as I find your musings entertaining, and I do respect your knowledge in some areas, you missed this one. I don¿t refer to Preston as logical and clear headed because I¿m in agreement with him, but because he refrains from some of the behavior some here (me included) exhibit.
I could care less about behavior, just as long as they are trying to make a point.
I have been around enough to know that most people that breed are guessing at best. I will be doing a breeding soon, if everything works out right, and it is a guess. I do not know the french dogs, but I know what the dog I will be breeding to is, and I know the pedigree of the female, and what she is. It may very well turn out a bunch of doorknobs, but that is a chance I am going to take. I hope to bring a female here with a lot of FR3 dogs in her pedigree as well. The female I am using has a lot of knucklehead Sch3 dogs, and she certainly is a knucklehead herself. However, she does not have the high thresholds that so many dogs have. I can hide a soft sleeve and bust it out when she is just out to go to the bathroom and she will run over and it is on. She does not have that training, so that makes me even more positive that I might get what I want. She was a SAR dog. We will see, like I said, it is a guess in many ways.
I see the show line crossed into the Czech stuff here and there, but we do not see the whole picture. Most of the time that i have seen it, it is a one time deal, and we do not get to see what gets tossed from the litters afterwards. I have never seen anyone that actually knew the dog discuss why it was added to the program. My best guess has nothing to do with "structure" more likely it was a dog that had aggression. I am not always a big fan of the Czech dogs. Some are really nice, of course, but I have seen my share of duds more often than not. Some have either melted because they cannot deal with the work load in ring, and their aggression, or as I see it, their nerve gets in the way, or their aggression, because with the added pressure, they either do not out, or they release and go after the decoy in an attempt to get him to quit the pressure. I saw that in Rotts and hated that. I am sure that people will really like that, but the dogs released, gave it a shot, and would not re engage. Again, useless.
I also do not see people when discussing show line breedings talking about the dogs drive, character, or work. They will say he is a Sch3 but how many of us have seen Sch3 show dogs and wondered how they ever got the title ?
I understand the split, I even get how it occurred on the show side, as you breed for what the judges want to see. The problem is that it is one side of a many sided coin. I do see people throwing in a show dog here and there, but again, it is three four generations back. Occasionally I could see that if it was a good working dog, and passed that. I cannot think of my one example, Uwe maybe kirshental ? My brain is not really wanting to help me out here. That was a dog that passed working traits. You can see him quite often.
However, I see show people trying to crank up their dogs more often than I see working people finding a really nice example of show dog that works. Most of what I see is show people trying to infest the world with their "look" : )
Maybe when people start pointing out a dog that actually does work, and has not been dead for 20 30 years, I will pay more attention. I just do not see that.