German Shepherd Dog > showline bred with workingline (440 replies)
by leeshideaway on 08 October 2010 - 02:48
|People are people & dogs are dogs.|
But in this case, science says dogs are a genetic resource.
The topic is about breeding different lines. (diversity?)
Not show people vs. sport people.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 08 October 2010 - 02:56
| Quote: I am guessing I shouldn't bite but Jeff Oelsen your posts are thoroughly unpleasant and show you to be a blinkered, rude misogynist who is incapable of considering the opinions of others.|
I consider what others say, and then I ask to see what they consider to be "excellent" or "good". Then they put up a video which is very nice of them, and then I express my opinion, and it is different. Usually very different. Then I state why this is good or whatever, and then people get mad. The funny thing is when I say it to people in person, they do not get all butt hurt like on a forum, because it is what it is.
You will read my posts, we all know that.
by darylehret on 08 October 2010 - 05:23
|People argue genetic diversity quite often, but I swear no one stops to think what that even means. The idea that "genetic diversity" is always beneficial is a total myth. It can benefit a species ability to adapt to a changing environment that favors one getoype over another, which happens to be completely irrelevant to the context of selective breeding and maintaining a standard. In what world is nature going to favor "pretty" and cull it's more "practical" specimens? Diversity by it's very nature works against uniformity, against standards, and most importantly, increases incompatibility of breeding propositions that are attempting to attain specific goals or standards.|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 08 October 2010 - 06:11
| Quote: All that it comes down to is show us the proof, one, two or even 100 examples of a SL that can work isn't proof of breeding in the right direction.|
Sadly I have watched as helpers give the sleeve to the show dogs in many many videos and the dogs are out of control and instead of going holy crap, they blindly point out the one dog that held on, and didn't run off to take the opportunity to piss on a tree. Although I think that dog did that as well.
Then the propaganda starts. Working lines are unbalanced, cannot be around children, are unstable bla bla bla. To look at what they have to offer, it is irritating.
They talk about the cross between the lines, and show some examples and yes, I can appreciate the work involved, but that is NOT what I am talking about. I am talking about the idea of crossing less than average with a good dog or average dog and then getting all emotional when I say what a stupid fucking idea that is.
Then as always there are people that get all butt hurt because I curse. WOW. nice argument, got me there. What has how I speak got to do with the abomination of crossing shit with good ? It goes back to no one wants to be realistic about what dog they have in front of them. Years ago, I had a dog that I really really liked that didn't work for shit. I never bred the dog, Never claimed that she was anything except my dog. She had lots of good points, just not points that I would BREED. I do see the attraction to a dog that is not staring at you non stop, or shoving a foamy tennis ball into your crotch all the time. I do see it, just would not breed it.
I wish that showline dogs would at least work, and my idea of work is at least what the lady with the crutches has. However, that dog falls into a catagory where it is not showline anymore. I also want to make sure that she knows that I know how hard it is to train a dog, how much it costs, and the time. However, how many of the litter mates can work like that ?
Should we look at it like the show line dog isn't as far gone as we think ? Or would looking at the littermates show that the dog is a one of, or fluke ? Lots of questions, but what is the answer ? I know good and damn well that the money is in making a dog that looks like a working dog but is a high threshold shitter. LOL I met a lady one time who does exactly that. She is doing real well. REAL well. Hard to stick to your morals when that amount of money is out there waiting. LOL Good thing I was raised right no matter what some of you say.
by smith on 10 October 2010 - 18:31
|hey Jeff! seems you know alot how about you upload videos of your dogs working so everyone can see real dogs at work! Also whats pedigree of your awesome workinglines?|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 10 October 2010 - 20:23
| Poor Smith.|
That is a link to my young dog. I like him.
Here is a dog I bought recently, I like him a lot.
This is my nutty dog. She gets ponked on the head a lot.
THis is Soda PoP
THis is my dog Buko. He may be a bit much, but he is MY a bit too much.
I have one more, but he is not on the database.
So emotional over someone's typing. Did you cry when you saw march of the penguins at the theater ?
by smith on 10 October 2010 - 20:28
|im sorry i wasnt being a smartass! i guess since no one likes you on here you take offense to everything! you must sit on your fat ass allday in front of your computer! whers the next trial you will be at ? i would love to meet you in person!!|
by smith on 10 October 2010 - 20:31
|im sorry i wasnt being a smartass! i guess since no one likes you on here you take offense to everything! you must sit on your fat ass allday in front of your computer! whers the next trial you will be at ? i would love to meet you in person!! and in your other post you were talking shit about french ring and thats the only title in the pedigree of the young dog lmao your are a joke just shut your sorry ass up! people are sick of your mouth|
by Ibrahim on 10 October 2010 - 20:32
|What is LOF in the pedigree?|
Are you French?
by smith on 10 October 2010 - 20:35
|and your right you are only typing you wouldnt say any of this trash talking yo anyones face you coward! btw where is the video of you working your dogs! you are prolly sitting at home with a tea cup on your lab|
by smith on 10 October 2010 - 20:50
|http://www.youtube.com/user/selenavanleeuwen#p/u/6/yL4FOoTt5i0 here is jeff's fat ass yanking on that puppys teeth lol!|
by johan77 on 10 October 2010 - 21:06
| One of the best dogs in protection in the FCI IPO championships had much showlines in him, here is his protectionwork, even if this doeesn´t prove anything and I don´t see the benefit crossing them,|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 11 October 2010 - 01:49
| Quote: here is jeff's fat ass yanking on that puppys teeth lol!|
That would be his breeder, not me. I might spill the tea cup. HA HA
by Jeff Oehlsen on 11 October 2010 - 01:56
| Quote: and your right you are only typing you wouldnt say any of this trash talking yo anyones face you coward!|
Oh you are right. I would be so afraid of you. LOL
Here is my oh so afraid of you fat ass.
by leeshideaway on 11 October 2010 - 02:51
My rear hurts after watching the video.
by smith on 11 October 2010 - 03:15
|WOW jeff did you train that dog to be up your ass because your so full of yourself? thats amazing and a powerful dog really stoping that guy in his tracks!|
by smith on 11 October 2010 - 03:18
|hey jeff is that horn and whistle blowing out of your ass too?|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 11 October 2010 - 04:41
| Quote: lol Jeff,|
My rear hurts after watching the video.
Thanks. He started biting the legs, but found that it was easier to grab the guy that way. He is a good boy, just not at trials. LOL Maybe we get his three this month. Then again, maybe not. : ) I have a feeling he might just go buck wild as the trial is in Minnesota, and I live in Texas. He loves the cold weather.
by Nellie on 11 October 2010 - 08:56
|Nice dog Jeff, keep up the good work ;)|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 12 October 2010 - 00:28
|Thanks. I have a GSD that I am training for MR as well. It is really different working with him compared to my mal. |
People talk about they like the GSD because the Mals are all out of control should see the difference in the ring work. Esko is an idiot, and I have to crack his head once a session or so because he either cannot control himself and tries to get the toy and bites my hand, or he won't just out, but has to do that stupid stupid GSD chewy out crap. The Mals I work figure out much faster to no bite me, and out in the blink of an eye.
Was I supposed to be talking about showline working line crosses ? LOL
What happened smiff, did my vid scare you ?