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by GermanK9lover on 20 July 2010 - 19:12 |
| I would have to say very nice puppy Hans ! and the other pups look great as well !! |
by Red Sable on 20 July 2010 - 21:39 |
I love you Hans, but honestly, it does look a little thin to me in that picture, IMHO. . She says 22lbs at 17 wks, and from the picture it looks like she could be telling the truth about that part of it. |
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by 1doggie2 on 21 July 2010 - 00:05 |
| Red Sable, you can ship that pup to me, I will even pay for shipping and a bonus for you to drive him to the airport. Hanns, I guess it is put up or shut up, I had to sign in on the rip off site, I am doing so, and will defend your reputation. |
by GermanK9lover on 21 July 2010 - 00:46 |
| Thats a nice pup Red Sable !! |
by gucci on 21 July 2010 - 03:19 |
| What I know about Hans: He is an honest person. Lida |
by Prager on 21 July 2010 - 04:06 |
| Red Sable I appreciate your concern but here is how I feel about it and not just me but there is a good science behind it too. According to a studies published in many places and I have found it in the book Canine hip dysplasia .....by Fred Lanting which I have already mentioned above, it states in a study by Reiser WH et al. influence of early rapid growth and weight gain on hip dysplasia in German Shepherd Dog and originally publisher in J Am Vet Med Assoc 1964 . I quote: "An experiment involving 222 GSD showed a correlation between HD at one year and their weights at 60 days of age. The heavier pups at 2 months had higher incidences of HD. On hundred of the puppies were dysplastic at one year and their mean weight at two months was 14 lbs , while the 112 diagnosed as normal at two months of age had a mean weight of 13 lbs. One pound less than average certainly doesn't sound like much, but that 4% difference was deemed significant by the researchers. Only about 1/3 of the dysplastic dogs were under the average weight and only 5 of the 122 normal dogs were over the average weight. Dysplastic males age ranged14.5 lbs. compared to "normal" males at 13.4 lbs. Dysplastic females were 13.8lbs. and normal females were 12.3 lbs. This doesn't mean that you 14.5 lb two month old pup is going to be dysplastic and your neighbors12.5 lb. pup is going to be normal, but it does point out an important idea: heavier pups have a significant tendency to become dysplastic and lighter pups, on the average, have more favorable odds of avoiding HD than the other group. There are other studies but this should suffice for purpose of this post." Pup was sold at 10 weeks and was well over 12 lb. As you can see from the article above that is comparable size. Especially considering that the pup came from litter of 13 pups and Jago is a smaller dog who produces smaller pups. Also I would not give credence to what Sonia Berg says about the weight ( or anything else for that matter) of this pup because you can see on Ripoffreport .com that she claims that the pup on July 3rd was 15 lb and then she says that on July 13th weights 22 lb. This would men than in 10 days 15 lb pup gained 7!!!lb. Prager Hans http://www.alpinek9.com |
Prager by Prager on 21 July 2010 - 04:12 |
You may also want to revisit my Thread here :"Your dogs are too fat!!!: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/344766.html?pagen=1 |
by lukemoua on 21 July 2010 - 05:22 |
| please excuse my ignorance, but what does "EPI" stand for and how does that effect the GSD, or any dog for that matter. |
by Jyl on 21 July 2010 - 05:39 |
| LUKEMOUA Here is a link on EPI that I found.. Hope this helps www.globalspan.net/epi.htm |
Jyl by lukemoua on 21 July 2010 - 05:48 |
| @ Jyl thanks. i'll check it out. |
by Prager on 21 July 2010 - 21:59 |
| The pup has no EPI. This woman Sonia or Eva Berg (or what ever her name is today) is trying to get money back and keep the dog too, thus she is generating haphazard accusations with no rhyme or reason and is spreading them about Internet , calling my place at 2 am, leaving here profanity filled messages, sending here over 100 e mails in short time, calling me names like F...ing Czech, drunk, drug addict, all Czechs are crooks, ugly, unintelligent and so on and on and on and on ad nauseum, she harasses my vet and threatens him, and calls him a crook, calls cops here with them then admiring my place and dogs, and then when they tell her that filing false report is a crime she is calling them good old boy network and then indicating that they are bigots and then says that is because we are in Arizona. She does all that with hopes that I will give her money back and let her keep the dog in order to pacify her. She even said at least However that will not happen. I'd rather die!!!! I offered her money back and even offered pay for the shipping both way but she will not send the pup back. She says that I am not going send her the money after she would send the dog. I am willing to put the money in escrow. Then she says that my place is horrible and that she would not send the dog there. For example she is saying here on PDB:"If he were really honorable, he would return most of the money and let me keep the dog since he can't re-sell it anyway and what does he want to do with it?" I wish she would take me to court so that we can get it over with. Thus it is not EPI or pituitary dwarfism, or hook worms, or giardia, or eye infection, or pup being stupid , inbred or crossbred with chihuahua because I am near Mexico, barks funny, looks like a cat or because my place being messy or what ever it is she makes up except I guess you can call it attempt for extortion. Please read my first response in this thread on page 1 and responses of people who actually been here to get clear picture. Also look at the pictures of the pup itself and his litter mates which I have posted here They are all fine. Come here and see my nice clean place, my dogs and my pups. You are welcomed. Any time. I have nothing to hide. Below I am enclosing a picture from Sonia after she got the pup. She also send an email that the pup arrived OK and she called us and told us that the pup is doing fine. Again pup was and is fine and it was a pick of the litter admired by many people here who came here to buy a pup. Read all the thread if you care to know. Sorry for the rant. Prager Hans http://www.alpinek9.com |
by NoCurs on 22 July 2010 - 02:20 |
| I'm sorry you are going through all this Prager, it sucks that their are people like that out there. You may think that one person can ruin your reputation, but they really can't. When you deal well with others (as it seems you do) then your reputation will be good with those it counts with. You can't please all - just please the ones that count! Best of luck to you. |
NoCurs by yoshy on 22 July 2010 - 02:28 |
| I would like to chime in and say i have visited Hans home as well. I have said it before- I was very impressed with the pups all the way to his personal house dogs. Awaiting the others arrival i had the privelege to meet a litter of pups at play. hanging off my hands and pants legs as well as watching them playing with some rag work. All the way up to his personal dogs in the home accompanying us throughout the day. All of which were well fed- maintained- and healthy IMO. You couldnt ask for a nicer day around dogs- learning- or a better cook(being hans wife)!!! I WOULD AND HAVE RECOMMENDED HANS AS A BREEDER- TRAINER- AND WHEN I AM READY FOR MY NEXT PUP I MAY VERY WELL PROCURE IT FROM HANS. In fact if it werent for sudden life changes i faced a few months back i would have already procured a pup from him. MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULDNT POST ABOUT IGNORANTS RANTS AND RAVES AND SHOULD SIMPLY VISIT KENNELS AND PLACES IN WHICH THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO BUSINESS WITH. Lee |
yoshy by shilohgdrescue on 22 July 2010 - 10:39 |
| I am the purchaser of the black puppy, which is named Lupo and means wolf in Italian. It's kind of sad, being he looks like a dwarf. My name is Eva Sonia Berg and it is my real name, unlike Mr. Zdenek Jan Blabla who is not named Hans, but simply chooses to call himself that. I am not poor or a criminal, but I expect to get what I pay for, like any other consumer. And thank you Blabla, for confirnimg that you are a commercial breeder because then you must be registered with the Department of Agriculture. I am also Slovak, my parents being from Czechoslovakia. And yes, Blabla is a Czech and he is very rude to me. The only phone contact I had with him was him cutting me off, saying in a rude tone, he was training dogs and had no time to talk to me. I left a voicemail on their business number after having been up several nights with a very sick puppy who had yellow diarrhea every hour or so. The stench was awful. The puppy also arrived with a heavy yellow/green discharge from his eyes. He was 10 weeks old and weighed 9.1 pounds. The puppy weighed 15 pounds in June, not July as Blabla has stated. The puppy weighed 22 pounds at age 17 weeks on July 13 at the vet's office. The AKC doesn't just suspend someone for 10 years for trivial reasons. Blabla never divulged this information when I called to purchase the dog. He and Debra Elinger assured me the pup was AKC registered. I called Alpine K9 on a Sunday afternoon a couple of weeks after leaving the voicemail which they never returned my call...around 4:30pm Arizona time, and Erlinger answered the phone. Debra Erlinger thought she had placed me on hold, but didn't realize that I could hear everything she was saying. I heard her say to Blabla, "It's that Sonia Berg, do you want to talk to that %$&#*?' I heard Blabla say, no...hang up. I never phoned them again. I sent Alpine K9 24 emails and I have every one of them because I plan to use them in court. I am very angry for being lied to and left with a sickly dog who will never be a normal German Shepherd. I will NOT return the dog because he is evidence....period. Blabla claimed there was a flood in The Czech Republic which destroyed his dogs' registration papers; here he now states it was a flood in a building 80 miles away. Blabal refused to send me any photos of the puppy and claimed he couldn't because his wife was in the hospital. He is not married. I have been keeping the dog quarantined because of the hookworm, but I will post a photo of the dog standing next to another to demonstrate the size. Believe me, I take him out and look at him and play with him with the ball and try to see and hope that he has grown, but the truth is, he is way too small for his age. Either he is not a purebred German Shepherd or he is a dwarf. He is not normal. He was at the vet last week and the whole office staff came in to look at him. The vet commented how he is so small, but already getting his permanent teeth. He was still shedding hookworm eggs. To you, Blabla, with all of the knowedge you proclaim to have about dogs, it's shocking to hear that you don't know that hookworms are not shed in the feces, only the eggs are, and they are micrscopic, you can't see them. You have to do a fecal test, which the pup has had 3 times and will also be having a fecal culture to determine why he still suffers loose stool even after repeated wormings now. The worms attach themselves to the dog's small intestines and feed off its blood, therfore that's the reason for the pup's anemia. Hookworms can kill a puppy and it nearly did kill this one. Had he not been treated, he would have had to have |
by snajper69 on 22 July 2010 - 13:27 |
| AKC registration of the pup. The pups are from imported bitch which came in whelp. This involves : 1. registering the bitch in Czech rep in our name. 2. sending the papers via registered mail to me. 3. taking pictures of the female and get them developed. 4.registering the female in our name with AKC 5. DNA the female. (Currently we are at this point of the process) 6. Registering the litter 6. Sending the papers to a customer. This process may take up to 8 mo or in rare cases more. I am informing Sonia Berg on the status of the registry every step of the way. She does not understand or accepts what I am saying. I can attest to that. I bought a female out of a Czech dam that was just recently imported. It took 15 months to get the registration. There was a time when I grew inpatient. But I got the papers finally the funny thing is the female is already 25 months old and I have not registered her ;). lol When you buy imports it takes time. My breeder’s registration was kicked around by AKC quite few times. He had to reach out to his friend that had good connection with AKC to get it finally registered, the funny thing the papers were being returned due to the AKC not liking the picture, but when his friend used the same picture AKC had no problems lol ;). Life is funny that way. I never met Hans, but did ask for his analysis of my female pedigree, he did superb job, actually provide me with more info that I could expect from someone that I never met. I was impressed by Hans so much I already know that most likely my next dog will come from him. |
snajper69 by mtndawg on 22 July 2010 - 13:34 |
| "shilohgdrescue"....lol. Maybe that's why you think the pup is a dwarf. Why don't you return the pup then? Prager has offered your $ back and to pay shipping both ways...on here at least. |
mtndawg by snajper69 on 22 July 2010 - 13:39 |
| Because she wants both money, and the dog, is as simple as that, period. |
by shilohgdrescue on 22 July 2010 - 13:45 |
| Is the proprietor of Alpine K9 a woman named Debra Erlinger, date of birth 2/12/62? The AZ Corporation Commission says so. To the person who commented about the good cook...was that Debra Erlinger who is about 48 years old? There was a former business in her name called The Rockin Red Ranch. Did she ever mention living in Illinois? Unfortunately I hadn't looked up Alpine K9 in the AZ Corporation Commission before I made my purchase. Take a moment to look up Debra Sue Erlinger on the AZ state licensure board website....or, just google the name...something about an RN license...quite informative....by the way, Hans, or whatever you're calling yourself today...the pup is 14 inches tall and weighs still 22 pounds this morning at age 18 weeks and still has loose stool. |
by mtndawg on 22 July 2010 - 13:52 |
sooooo...you dodge questions and now are trying to drag Prager's gf through the mud? Eva Sonia Berg, you sound like a real winner/stalker. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by bringing this here? The members of this board are obviously on the side of AlpineK9. I feel sorry for that pup, likely having to live his life with the likes of you. I kinda hope you don't get the papers, because you'll probably just try to resell the little guy for twice as much. |
by charlie319 on 22 July 2010 - 14:05 |
| This whole thread reminds me of an old saying: Hell knows no wrath..." She has legal remedies, and she has chosen not to avail herself to them... Makes you think why she has yet to either put up or shut up? |
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