German Shepherd Dog > Update on USA Board of Inquiry status (39 replies)
by Bob McKown on 25 April 2010 - 13:30
Actually we are not owners but investors, there is a difference. Until we all act as responsible investors and come together as one voice to let the board know of our displeasure instead of fracturing off as a small radical groups and "take our toys some where else " mentality we will continue to get what we allow.
by Dog1 on 25 April 2010 - 16:03
|Bob is correct. There's plenty of sentiment against the new rules and it appears plenty of support to change the by laws. The problem is it's very difficult to change where change is not wanted. Organizations are not structured where anyone can just come in and take over for a 200.00 filing. There's a process and they have more ways to squelch the process than anyone has to implement the process. The grass roots idea is great but there's not enough organization to overcome the resistance.|
It's evident USA is standing by their decisions as an organization. Right wrong or indifferent they voted, that's what the majority said, it's done, and they are standing behind it. Elections are coming up. Has anyone looked at the website? Is anyone running for office?
by Pat Relton on 26 April 2010 - 20:21
by judron55 on 27 April 2010 - 11:34
by KathyMo on 04 May 2010 - 00:54
|<< << It is also my opinion that the members of USA are the "customers" and they must be treated with dignity and respect. >> >>|
You are not a customer. You are the owner.
Christopher, you are absolutely correct. Much better analogy.
by Pat Relton on 04 May 2010 - 01:35
by Unknown on 04 May 2010 - 13:54
|Dog1 said |
"Bob is correct. There's plenty of sentiment against the new rules and it appears plenty of support to change the by laws. The problem is it's very difficult to change where change is not wanted."
Dog1, this "new rules" was voted in BY THE MEMBERS, and it can be voted out BY THE MEMBERS if they want to, it has nothing to do with someone or a group of someone's " not wanting change". All that needs to be done is a member draw up a bylaw change proposal and submit it for a vote at the General Board meeting and then if the MEMBERSHIP wants to change it back and votes that way, then it is done. But it can not be overturned any other way by ANYONE.
"It's evident USA is standing by their decisions as an organization. Right wrong or indifferent they voted, that's what the majority said, it's done, and they are standing behind it."
"They Voted"... WRONG!!! "you voted" or the membership did, maybe you did not send a delegate. The Organization MUST stand by the decision because the organization has NO CHOICE, it is what the MEMBERSHIP voted for and no matter what people think, the executive Board does NOT have the power to overturn what the membership voted. so many people want to blame this on the Executive Board but the REALITY is that the membership voted for it and even if the Executive Board WANTED to change it, THEY CAN NOT.....
by SitasMom on 04 May 2010 - 14:51
|If you feel so strongly, then you will need to organze an vast majority opposition and get to work. writing on letter of complaint is not going to do anything.......|
have you guys thought about sending petitions out to each club and ask people to sign and send them in?
how about if each member from each club is given a yes/no pitition and let them sign as they wish and then have it sent to you so you can copy and sent to the rulers that be?
what about letter writing campaigns for all members who do not agree?
your other choice is to come over to the dark side........
the WDA sends out ballots for use to fill out and send back in, we don't have to be present to vote.......
seems like our membership has more of a voice then the USA ....
only 54 or so made policy for the whole organization......did they even listen to the membership?
sounds like our present government......oh my!
by Equalizer on 04 May 2010 - 16:59
|"-----reminds me to much of our current u.s. government."|
Pretty good post until you felt it necessary to throw in this tidbit and expose yourself as a douche.
by Unknown on 04 May 2010 - 17:07
Satements like this one are the ones that really bother me...
"only 54 or so made policy for the whole organization......did they even listen to the membership?"
The 54 were mostly CLUB REPRESENTATIVES, They ARE the membership....It was the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP that voted and PASSED the bylaw change and it is ONLY the membership that can vote and change it back. The Organization DID listen to the members and the MEMBERS said they wanted this bylaw change.
Again, no letter writting, no petitions, no anything can change this back EXCEPT the membership voting to change it again, like they did the first time.....
by Bob McKown on 04 May 2010 - 17:11
|WDA isnt a viable solution as they are constantly having to prove there worth to there parents the GSDCA with the occasional wondering stunts. |
This whole thing will end up a stinking pile of fish.
by Equalizer on 04 May 2010 - 17:22
|"WDA isnt a viable solution as they are constantly having to prove there worth to there parents the GSDCA with the occasional wondering stunts."|
Yeah, hide and watch...10 years from now, USA will be nothing more than a memory more or less all because of one guy who was a joke in the GSD world in Germany.
by Bob McKown on 04 May 2010 - 17:57
No reason to hide, USA will be here in some sort of existence.
The GSD world in Germany IS the joke!. It,s supposed to be the guardian of the noble breed and look how it has turned out on there watch it barley resembles the "working dog" it was developed to be this on there watch so who is the joke on?
by Equalizer on 04 May 2010 - 18:27
|Believe what you want but it's next to impossible for an organization to continue functioning when they are running off members who have supported them for 25 or 30 years. If half of the membership fails to renew over the next 12 months, those who are left will have to pay twice as much in dues in order for USA to continue offering the same level of service it does today. It's simple economics. Are you prepared to pay twice as much? When those who aren't leave, are you willing to pay three or four times as much as you do now? At what point does it become prohibitively expensive?|
Everyone I know has been a member of both organizations for a long, long time and most are members of the SV as well. No one I have talked to in person is planning to renew their USA membership.
Your defense of Johannes to the detriment of the SV is ridiculous but what I'd expect from a novice...
by Bob McKown on 04 May 2010 - 19:07
Do you see any where a defense of Grewe? you must be reading several posts at once and mixing them up?.
Half ? We will have to see but I think your counting your ducks before there hatched. We will have to wait and see.
We will all need to wait and see what seats we are in when the music stops.
by bgstout on 04 May 2010 - 19:50
How many entered in the 2010 WDA Nationals next weekend?
by Equalizer on 04 May 2010 - 20:15
|"Do you see any where a defense of Grewe? you must be reading several posts at once and mixing them up?."|
Your response to my observation that Johannes is a joke in Germany was a de facto endorsement.
"Half ? We will have to see but I think your counting your ducks before there hatched. We will have to wait and see."
Correct, we will but you make it sound as though I am anxiously awaiting this outcome. I, personally, liked having the freedom to enter my dogs in events from either organization.
"One big problem is that some of the "25 30 years people" have forgot this isn,t about them but it,s about all of us! But I bet thet collection of pins looks good on the wall if thats what impresses you?"
You're being intentionally obtuse and are delusional if you think this by-law change has anything to do with you. This is all about someone's sore vagina and is tantamount to a grocery store refusing to sell you groceries if you have a customer loyalty card from a different store and then claiming that they are trying to protect you because the competing store's prices are too high or produce is not of good quality.
"Since so many of you and your friends are SV members I,m sure you won,t be staying there long with there repressive requirements that you can,t belong to a competing organization such as the RSV2000 SO when will they get your resignation?"
Apples and oranges.
"We will all need to wait and see what seats we are in when the music stops."
On this we can agree.
by Bob McKown on 04 May 2010 - 20:32
I,m sorry when you mentioned Germany and joke, there are just so many from Germany who are laughable I guess it covers a wide spectrum.
by SitasMom on 04 May 2010 - 21:01
NAME OF DOG HANDLER HOT BHOT
Aceofnike van het Bleekhof Karoly Meszaros N N
Bodo vom Flutgraben Carl Smith N N
Arachis Lexi Nelli Racsko Y N
Inouk v.d. Ronden Hoek Nelli Racsko N N
Rasko vom Haus Miller Fredric R. Gates Y N
Lusy Naspo Bob Pac Y N
Bac von der Siebengebirgsperle Rhonda Southern N N
Cento van Kiefbos Rick Burgos Y N
Eddi von Haus Heldmann Frank Pinho III N N
Berlin vom Glucklich Tal Krista L. Wade Y
Boss aus Kingston Village Michael Conley N N
Orchard Knob Arros William McClure N Y
Jingo vom Mahlsdorfer Grund Jeffrey Goldsmith Y N
Fantom vom Waldestraum Michael Shliapin Y N
Brisko vom Rheinstahl Amanda Hoskinson Y N
Banga vom Floyd Haus Kristen Oberholtzer Y N
Wum von der Adelegg Kevin A. Lanouette N N
Chash von der Suderholmer Strasse Eric S. Eisenberg N N
Draco Zur Rhonranch Michael Citro N N
Hustler Dreadlocks Hater Proof F. Chico Stanford Y N
Benny vom Floyd Haus II T Floyd N Y
Inouk v.d. Ronden Hoek Nelli Racsko N N
Ulrich vom Hammerbachthal T Floyd N N
Derry de Renaudloup Cliff Benjamin N N
Iso Tkacov Dvor Chris Meverden Y N
Brutus von der Eichendorfschule Dean Salamone N N
Luc von Sitz von der Hose Jacob B. Pope Jr. N N
Quax zur Hirsauerglocke Willie J. Cooper, Jr. Y N
Taya vom Weinbergblick Sigrid Riess-Mundry Y N
SchH3 so far shown on the website
Tracking: GSDCA-WDA Judge Joe Tackett
Obedience: GSDCA-WDA Judge Mike West
Protection: SV Judge Heiko Grube
by NoCurs on 06 May 2010 - 00:17
|Believe what you want but it's next to impossible for an organization to continue functioning when they are running off members who have supported them for 25 or 30 years.|
Very true. And very sad. I think the more experienced members are tired of the game playing. USA's arrogance just isn't playing well. : (
And I, for one, have to say it is very optomistic to think that club reps always vote the club's will - not their own. Not around here anyway!