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New Choice for the UK GSD Exhibitor - Part 1 by Jo Summerhill on 01 April 2010 - 10:38 |
| New Choice for the GSD Exhibitor - (being published in the Dog Press this week) It seems that the recent conflict between the KC and their soundness/type issue and the section of GSD Community intent on introducing Mandatory health and working Qualifications has reached an interesting and positive position for the GSD Community. The Executives of the KC have been single minded in pursuing a thinly veiled vendetta against the international type of GSD and those that exhibit but have unwittingly created an alternative to showing at KC licensed shows. This amazing lack of foresight and intellect by the KC has got them into a position they least wanted and created an alternative showing regime to the lamentable KC shows where Champions can be "made up" who have no health test done what so ever and are promoted for breeding totally uncontrolled and in fact promoted by the KC with the issuing of Stud Book numbers. The first of a series of shows totally outside the KC suppression commences on the 25th April and further are planned by GSD enthusiasts who will proudly show and declare their health tested GSDS, letting the judge see the grades of pass for health tests presenting where appropriate their hard earned working qualifications and competing against their Peers on equal health terms. The shows will be judged by international WUSV judges and British Judges who are fully qualified by experience and rigorously tested by formal examination under the custodianship of the only National Breed Club the GSD League of GB supported by the World Union of GSDs(WUSV). This empowerment of a National breed Club will no doubt set a precedent for other breeds totally dissatisfied at the KC current administration, lack of vision and flawed leadership when what the KC needed to portray is inclusiveness rather than the abuse of position they have portrayed recently. to be continued below Even people in the margins of this conflict are seriously questioning the tactics of the KC and other breeds are following developments with great interest. The Public will also soon find out who offers best value, the KC have underestimated the General Publics intelligence so far and in time they will see KC champions and KC registered GSDs as what they are and that is fundamentally flawed and potentially unhealthy. The Law will also catch up with breeders and organisations that do not show a duty of care when others do. The Irony of it all is that healthy International type GSDs can attend both the alternative shows and the KC shows and the KC promoted GSD can only attend one simply because they cannot meet the health and working criteria of the National Breed clubs WUSV style shows. Where does this put the KCs Fitness for purpose initiative? The KC continually make unsupported and untrue public press statements as evidence of support for doing what they are doing despite unequivocal and evidential proof of the opposite. We will now see the emergence of the GSD League as the only National GSD club supported by regional breed clubs within a well worn WUSV system. So what of the GSD Partnership specifically formed to work with the KC and to introduce mandatory health testing for all KC registered GSDs? The KC have ignored their representation so far and successfully by passed the Breed Council and gone direct to the 30 odd Clubs to seek to impose their will. The BAGSD are beset with infighting and can be best described as ineffective and not true to the WUSV principles, the Breed Council have been continually undermined by the KC over the years and one can see its effectiveness diminishing even further as a consequence of this. continued below |
by Jo Summerhill on 01 April 2010 - 10:42 |
| Continued from above The GSD League however have a sustainable vision and legacy left by Graham Stephens and a strong and harmonious committee of individuals fully involved in the breed with an ever expanding membership and a will and a plan to make tomorrow's GSD a healthier and more intelligent dog than the type the English KC executives want. The future of the GSD has never been brighter with the emergence of the GSD League as the National Club for GSDs supported by those clubs who see through the KCs abuse of privilege. The first of the alternative GSD breed shows is to be held on the 25th April 2010 and further details can be found on www.gsdleague.co.uk Other regional shows will follow during the year culminating in the British Siege Show in September. Perhaps Ronnie Irving and Ruth Barbour have got what they have publicly and privately wanted and that is to alienate the International type GSD exhibitors but unwittingly this gives a bright new dawn for Healthy GSDs which will gather momentum until the National GSD breed Club and its regional partners have total control on the direction of tomorrows GSD. Joe Summerhill Rafaye GSDs |
by missbeeb on 01 April 2010 - 10:48 |
 All great news for our breed. |
missbeeb by reason on 01 April 2010 - 11:09 |
| This surely is the post that will start the real way forward, for many years we have seen the two WUSV clubs and the Breed Council run alongside the KC and the breed as suffered as a consequence of that, we as a breed are behind most of the rest of the world due to the lack of effective governance of the BREED Now is the time that the GSDL the only real effective organisation should grasp the nettle as they appearing to be doing and bring in REAL surveys in continental format ie mandatory working qualification, registration continental type shows and seek recoginiction for their judges from the SV/WUSV The reality is the Breed Council has passed its sell buy date and the BAGSD have chosen their way which is NOT the WUSV way Every real enthusiast should join the GSDL and dispense with their membership and support of the other two organisations as continuing membership of them gives them both credibility and finance |
by missbeeb on 01 April 2010 - 11:23 |
I totally agree with you, Reason! |
by spectator on 01 April 2010 - 11:42 |
| Mandatory working qualifications ?, real ones or the plastic versions some imports have turned up with, optional working titles by all means but how many show lines are being titled in the UK at the moment ?, I understand all dogs will be measured, this would have been done during the survey so what happens if a dog is oversize ?. I'm not just trying to pick holes here the show in it's present format seems spot on, any attempt to totally embrace the SV system seems a leap too far for a while yet. |
by reason on 01 April 2010 - 11:53 |
| spectator I take your point but should we not at least get ready to make the leap, it could be a staged integration over lets say 3/4 years giving the chance to all young dogs/puppies of today to make the final leap |
by missbeeb on 01 April 2010 - 11:58 |
Spectator, You may have some valid points, but give us a chance before you shoot holes in everything! Today should be a day of celebration for the GSD fraternity! One small step for the correct kind, one giant leap out of the KC's rusty shackles! LOL Try to look up, spectator. It's nice here!  |
by Sue B on 01 April 2010 - 12:11 |
| Reason I agree wholeheartedly with you in that this post is definately the one that marks the start of the way forward but not with your comment re REAL surveys quote:- "...bring in REAL surveys in continental format ie mandatory working qualification" Now is the time to embrace the whole of the GSD Community who regulary complete Mandatory Health Checks on all their dogs before breeding from them. The current UK Surveys may need tweaking but they certainly do not need to be altered to include Working (Sch type) qualifications, we still do not have the nationwide set up or enough experienced trainers for this to be rolled out at this stage and quite personally (albeit that I own a Sch1 VA1 female and have her daughter now living in Germany and undergoing Sch training), do not agree that this should ever be a prerequisite to obtaining a UK Survey pass as Fit for Function, Fit for Breeding). One of the main reasons for the Clubs who refused to sign the KC Undertaking was the KC's attempt to prevent the Breed Clubs from holding WUSV events whenever they wished to do so as an alternative to the none health required KC shows. Item 9 of the KC;s Undertaking was a unacceptable restriction on peoples rights to exhibit under the Mandatory Health Tested WUSV System. However, nowhere in the WUSV rules does it state all dogs must have obtained Sch qualifications in order to be exhibited at WUSV events in their own Country but only that certain Mandatory Health Checks be performed. Therefore Landsgruppen shows can be held the same as they are held at the British Sieger Show where the entry requirement to the Adult Class is for the dog to have successfully completely a BC Survey. Now it may be that the GSDL will want to start to hold their own survey system but for the Club to make Sch requirements Mandatory in order to pass this Survey would be a disaster for the breed and the continued growth and momentum we are all hoping this new era will bring to both breed, its breeders, owners and exhibitors. There is nothing to stop those that want to persue the whole WUSV Working Qualification regime of Sch and German type Korung are free to do so and of course this is a prerequisite to entry into the Working Class at the British Sieger and the necessity requirement for obtaining a VA grading. Those who do not wish to go down this Sch road should NOT be made to do so or made to feel somewhat inferior because they choose not to do so. This is their right to choose and this right should NEVER be taken away from them, nor should exercising this right restrict them from entering or enjoying the rest of the classes that the WUSV System allows them to embrace. UNIFICATION NOT SEGREGATION
Best Regards Sue b |
Sue B by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 01 April 2010 - 12:55 |
| SUE TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU - THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO DO SCHUTZHUND - IN OUR CASE DUE TO AGE AND ALSO AS WE DO NOT SEE THE NEED FOR THIS IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES. HOWEVER, WE ARE READY TO EMBRACE DOING A BH AND AD WITH OUR DOG SO HE CAN BE FURTHER QUALIFIED FOR HIS ADULT CLASSES NEXT YEAR. AS WE ARE SAYING OVER AND OVER - IT IS A MATTER OF CHOICE AND WE ALL THE THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE. THIS IS THE BEST EASTER EVER AND WE SHOULD GRAB THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH BOTH ARMS AND ENCOURAGE THOSE THAT ARE NOT SURE OR FENCE SITTING AT THE MOMENT TO COME FORWARD AND TAKE THE LEAP WITH US - IT WILL DEFINITELY BE WORTH THEIR WHILE. THERE ARE MANY THAT COULD NOT OR DO NOT WANT TO SEND THEIR DOGS TO GERMANY OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY TO HAVE THEM TRAINED, HOWEVER THERE ARE PLENTY WHO WOULD LOVE TO TRAIN THEIR DOGS IN THESE DISCIPLINES IN THE UK - SO HOPEFULLY IN A FEW YEARS THERE WILL BE FACILITIES WITHIN REACH TO DO SO. PEOPLE HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY TO DO THAT - GIVE THE LEAGUE TIME TO GROW AND THE CLUBS AND GROUPS THAT JOIN THEM THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO GO FORWARD - THERE IS A LOT TO DO AND PLAN. THIS WILL BE ONE OF MANY POSTS TO COME IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS SO WATCH THIS SPACE. I THINK WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE A HAPPY EASTER AND A GREAT WEEKEND CELEBRATING OUR FREEDOM. AILEEN |
by reason on 01 April 2010 - 13:23 |
| Not getting into an argument so last post on this thread, i did say in my reply to spectator staged intro and our OWN form of FULL BREED SURVEYso no need to send them to germany, that answers the last post, regarding lack of facilities and expertise there are more than 30 clubs training sch each week spread for Fife to Devon and Dover If we want the WUSV support and recognition i dont think we can just pick and choose whats suits some of us. I am sure the working people will have the same reservations regarding elbow x ray show rating DNA etc, they consider there health test ie the mental one is the most important |
by myfanwy on 01 April 2010 - 13:32 |
| I have just got back from taking my dog out for a walk and am soaked through as it is pi***** down. But I'm on cloud 9 after reading some of these post A great day for the GSD. I now look forward to the day when working and showline GSD can train at the same clubs with respect for each others hobby and when showlines can train and compete in working trials and working lines can compete in shows. It may be a long way off and some may say one thing at a time But we can all dream. |
myfanwy by Langhaar on 01 April 2010 - 13:40 |
Just to clarify the above point; showline GSD have been competing in Working Trials for decades! |
by reason on 01 April 2010 - 13:47 |
| and in sch Gayvilles Asti won the BSA National |
by myfanwy on 01 April 2010 - 13:58 |
what I am saying is I would like to see less them and us between working and showing and clubs that have both working and training together with events that combine both disciplines |
by noddi on 01 April 2010 - 14:08 |
| this is all good news and yes Aileen ,it will be a good easter.an excuse for a P..S UP eh?obviously my 2 are getting on now,but i hope in the future that i wont be too old and doddery to compete in all the activities.am willing to give schtzund a try,dont know how i,ll fare.Carol and Alyson,do yu know of any club i can go to ,to have a gander?Carole S. |
by stevef on 01 April 2010 - 14:23 |
| And so it begins. Fantastic news. The problems have been up to now that NOTHING could really be said until now. Yes the future is bright and there are definate plans for a clear pathway forward. Slowly but surely we as a group can get there. The title New Choice is very apt because nobody is saying that you must do this or that. It is your choice if you want to show at both WUSV events and KC events then fine. Whilst the KC rules allow this to happen. You will see clear and concise media statements and adverts. One thing for certain is that the KC lies and spin should be ignored. FOR THE RECORD. The PIP was blown out of the water by the KC as they simply would not sanction our minimum health requirements such as hips,elbows,haemophilia testing, surveying etc etc BEFORE registering pups from breeders. It is the KC who are flawed in their argument regarding soundness. They originally started off by stating that roachbacks, outside attraction and soundness were the issues of the day. I have yet to get a reply regarding how these three items effect the health of the breed. Anyhow PLEASE make sure that you make your feelings known by supporting WUSV events along with kc events should you choose. Dont waste energy on other attraction created by kc lap dogs because its not worth it. I hope that we can get along together. Personally I have posted back to the kc my CC,s that I have won in the past and I will not accept any judging appointments from any KC events because I will not be told how to judge. Thats me and thats how I am approaching things. Not much of a gesture I admit but at least it is a gesture. Enjoy your dogs. Steve Foran Mirrwood GSD |
by Langhaar on 01 April 2010 - 14:29 |
| http://gsdleague-workingbranch.com/contacts.html Here is a list of all the GSDL Working Dog Branches in the UK, hopefully one is near you Carole |
by noddi on 01 April 2010 - 14:36 |
| thanks Langhaar.Carole. |
by hutch on 01 April 2010 - 15:19 |
| I wrote some time ago in my GSD National Magazine Notes that we needed an infrastructure in this country for gaining the working qualifications we need. I believe that we will continue to have classes for adults without working qualifications but with the mandatory health testing for many years to come if not permanently. But there is an infra structure in this country to gain the qualifications and it is developing almost as fast as the desire to hold sv style shows. Many schutzhund clubs now have members who are essentially show people wanting to gain working qualifications. The League have their working side and I am sure many of their clubs will welcome show people. I know people that I would class as being "show" people who attend Bolton Schutzhund and I attend South Cheshire VPG and Derbyshire VPG. Before there is an uproar about BAGSD - remember that the people in the branches mainly do a great job and it is the EC who need a shake up. You can do it if you have the time and desire. Judy Hallsworth and I recently proved you can by gaining BH and AD with Kleeheugel Bonno and Mascani Ikon under sv judges at the Derbyshire VPG trial. Carole Lister is close at our heels with Mondshatten Kapitan and Judy will hopefully take SchH 1 with Bonno very soon. (Ike and I are taking a bit longer as he has time on his side before he is two!) All of these dogs have been trained from 7 weeks old at South Chesire VPG and not only is it thoroughly rewarding to acheive these things by yourself but we enjoy great days learning about training our dogs and lots of chatting too! Find a trainer you like and have a go but be warned it is far more time consuming than show training!!! (and far more rewarding) |
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