German Shepherd Dog > Kennel Club (23 replies)
by arbeiter on 26 March 2010 - 00:24
|Why have we not heard from the Breed Council regarding this bullying from the KC.|
Why has there not been any lead from them as to the way forward.
Why has there not been any public support from them for Carol Keen regarding the Crufts interview?
Why have some of the more senior kennels not opinioned one way or the other ( is it in their case just about money-like the KC )
by Penny on 26 March 2010 - 09:55
|Has anyone written to Sheila to ascertain the Breed Councils stance?? Mo|
by Sue B on 26 March 2010 - 10:55
Arbeiter, the Clubs are the Breed Council, not Sheila or any other individual. The KC decided to bystep the BC and go directly to the Clubs on an individual basis. Its a tactic used in WARFARE called DIVIDE AND CONQUER. As a consequence of this action some Clubs have signed, some are going to sign and some are not going to sign, so since the BC is Collectively made up of all of these individual Clubs, each with their individual beliefs, exactly what type of statement are you expecting this collective Breed Council body to give?
by Sue B on 26 March 2010 - 11:05
|Sorry I have a PS to the last post,|
PS - At the last BC Meeting on 20th February the Clubs collectively agreed to write a letter to the KC asking them to consider removing Item 9 of the Undertaking or at least to delay the signing date of 31st March in order for us to arrange a meeting to possibly reach a compromise. I belived the contents of this letter was eventually posted on the PDB after the BC had recieved the uncompromising reply from the KC. This is/was what the BC did and NO Compromise was the KC's response.
by arbeiter on 26 March 2010 - 12:45
Sorry did not realise that the Breed Council elected committe had no teeth.Most committies i have come across in the past in Unions & Football etc usually have a mandate to make decisions on behalf of its members- to save having meetings every 5minutes.
But if thats not the case with the Breed Council committe I would have thought at the last general meeting the clubs would have been ask to vote to sign or not to sign up to KC clap trap.and would have liked to think clubs would go by the result.
As for the Carol Keen disgrace-I would have liked the BC. to have at least publicly backed her and condemned the KC. actions.
by Sue B on 26 March 2010 - 18:28
KC rules appertaining to Breed Councils is that "They will have NO Executive Powers". In other words, as you so aptly put it, as an independant body it has NO TEETH. Every member club can send any proposals they may have to the BC Sec to go onto the Agenda of next meeting, This agenda is sent out to each individual club secretary for discussion at Club level, each member Club sends two delegates to the BC Meeting , one to carry their vote and the other as an observer. Voting takes place on a one club one vote basis. The BC then has a mandate to act on the COLLECTIVE decisions made by these voting clubs , be that on something appertaining to the KC , Surveys, Breed Health or whatever. Without holding a meeting or creating an Agenda for Clubs to individually discuss and then collectively vote on, the Breed Council has no individual rights or bargaining power, because the KC rules forbid it from having individual Executive Powers.
Hope that helps clear up a few things for you and may answere some of the questions many have been asking or thinking about.
by paulie on 26 March 2010 - 18:55
|Arbeiter, i am sure your question was rhetorical, but just in case it was'nt, and for anybody who is living in a cocoon, the answer is quite simple, they are useless, in fact worse than useless, because if they had a valid comment it would have been uttered by now, but no, they sit on the fence watching, rather like Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned, i have said many times what i feel should be done, vote them out and start again, but it wont happen, apathy rules.|
Regards, Paul Rattigan.
by TOPCAT25 on 26 March 2010 - 19:37
NEW TO THIS THREAD
by gsm44 on 27 March 2010 - 11:56
Topcat,yes, breeders are still registering their pups with the KC but only because they have no alternative at the moment.
The public are reluctant to buy a pup without kc registration, once an alternative to the kc system is in place breeders will stop using the kc.
by Skippy on 27 March 2010 - 22:29
by Ally B on 28 March 2010 - 13:22
What is the alternative to the KC registration scheme & who do you trust to run it ?
by gsm44 on 28 March 2010 - 20:58
At present there is no alternative but to register litters under the kc registration system,hopefully that will change.
by Mark3 on 28 March 2010 - 21:32
|Who are these trustable prominent breeders/contributors then?|
by gsm44 on 28 March 2010 - 21:43
|Do your homework.|
by Mark3 on 28 March 2010 - 21:58
|Hardly a proactive answer. I have done my homework, which is why I’m asking the question that you didn’t answer. |
by jaymesie51 on 29 March 2010 - 06:43
|I have no doubt that if need be the GSDL or even the breed council could start a reg system but we dont need to as we will use the KC system because that is what they keep telling us that they are a for registration only organization and dont have the power to make things mandatory|
by Jonah1 on 29 March 2010 - 09:53
|GUD POSTS JAYMESIE AN MARK 3.|
by Penny on 29 March 2010 - 13:33
| have just had the best ever answer from the Kennel Club regarding a registration..... it beggers belief !!! This was at 1pm - Registrations department today. They wrote a letter to Zep explaining that he had to lift the endorsement from a GSD that he has bred, to register her puppies.|
I rang and explained that he was the breeder, and actually put the endorsement on.... she had now gone through the health screening, which they dont worry about anyways, and he was happy for her to have had a litter.
Answer: " He must ask himself if he is happy to lift the registration " ! ! ! ! I kid you not ! ! ! I thought someone was joking and when I laughed, she then added...... wait for it.... " Does he know the endorsement was on and did he sign for the endorsement to be on otherwise it isnt valid" I was just about to start again, and I said "No he didnt sign any bit of paper to say that he knew the endorsement was on, apart from the litter registration to register her" - wait for it again..............." Then its ok, it isnt valid. " she said..... I am still wondering if it was a joke, but she was deadly serious. Mo.
by CAROL on 29 March 2010 - 14:16
|she obviously has been programmed for stock phrases just like their members and PR people. I guess their induction courses have a brain washing section!|
by Joyce on 29 March 2010 - 14:16
|Mo, I think you have to have a signed paper with both signatures on stating both parties agree to the endorsement, otherwise the endorsement is invalid.|
If you dont make the buyer aware of this it is not valid - I know a few people that have been caught out with this. confusing or what !!!