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ForumsGerman Shepherd Dog > Kennel Club has issued a statement re: GSD B.O.B. Crufts 2010 - TV interview - STATEMENT ADDED (45 replies)
by pacosbear on 23 March 2010 - 10:21 |
| I was always under the impression that a debate consisted of representatives from both sides of the 'argument' obviousley not for the KC. Spot the theme - It was not us it was the Judge.......... It was not us it was the Crufts Vet............. It was not us it was the TV company........... I hope those that have decided to sign the KC undertaking now take a long hard look at their decision and the consequential implications. If you have not yet signed surely these actions by the judge/crufts vet/ tv company are enough to make you see that if you sign the undertaking you are signing away the international GSD in the UK. |
by Sue B on 23 March 2010 - 10:31 |
| Lol Missbeeb, Shame she didnt nod it a little more vigorously, being one of the KC puppets, it might have dropped off. In their latest statement they say:- ".....it was inevitable that there would be some discussion about the issues that exist in certain breeds". Then I wonder if the KC can now explain that if this 'Health Issue' was something Claire chose to 'Highlight' on a breed that was exhibited on the Thursday, WHY it took her all of 24hrs to notice it !!! IF, as the KC would have us believe, it was inevitable there would be some discussion that exist in certain breeds, why wasnt this 'Highlighted' on the Pastoral Day?? Of course it couldnt have anything to do with the KC having to check up first how the dog was bred could it? No, that couldnt possibly be the case, the KC are FAIR AND TREAT ALL DOGS AND ALL BREEDS EQUALLY DONT THEY? NO, of course not, ONLY the GSD Breed and its Clubs was slapped with a Specially designed Undertaking. The breeds that need fans to breath at Crufts, can only managed one ring circuit before panting profusely, need a vets expertise in order to whelp, go blind, have brains to large for their skulls , obviously none of these have Health Issues more in need of the KC's Special Undertaking attention than the GSD Community. Sheer bullshit !! The KC want to Control us, they dont want us running off to hold proper Health events which will 'highlight' the KC's own show scene for the sham that it is. No they want to dictate what we can and cant do , what amazes me the most is why so many of you are prepared to be THEIR VICTIMS !! Just as a matter of interest for anyone who has a copy of all four days of Crufts, did the KC have one of these little HEALTH tet o tet with Claire on any other day to discuss the Breeds with Health Issues that appeared in the previous 24hrs then?? Would like to help point this out but my interest of KC Crufts was zilch so I neither watched nor taped it, but it would be an interesting point for the priviledged to observe. Regards Sue |
Sue B by Joyce on 23 March 2010 - 10:53 |
| *These reports will, as always, go to the Kennel Club’s Dog Health Group* Is this the same group who wont make health compulsory, what a cop out, there was many officials round Gsd ring who have been given authority over the judge Rule states Kennel Club officials and show officials are expected to refer any dogs that they believe to be unhealthy to the on-site vet, who can authorise the dog’s removal from further competition at that show Clearly there is no case to answer Unless the KC are taking advice of the new expert on Gsd's Clair Balding |
Joyce by AmbiiGSD on 23 March 2010 - 11:01 |
| Same person that writes most of their clap trap! |
AmbiiGSD by missbeeb on 23 March 2010 - 11:05 |
Good point, Joyce! Sue, I'd put money on it that there wasn't. I watched it with "half an eye" and don't remember any other breed slated like ours... or filmed in slow motion. In truth, I think we should all take Bill Owen's advice.............. just walk away. It'll take time to educate the public and I'd be willing to bet the KC will do all possible to make life difficult for us, especially where Sch is concerned (they're teaching their dogs to bite people  ) but.... who gives a rat's ass about the KC, let's just go and leave them to get on with it. |
missbeeb by Videx on 23 March 2010 - 11:13 |
| Who writes this claptrap for the KC? the Secretary of the Kennel Club - Caroline Kisko |
Videx by missbeeb on 23 March 2010 - 11:25 |
LOL... she's a pretty talentless soul, huh? |
by AmbiiGSD on 23 March 2010 - 11:30 |
| The KC's customer relations skills judging by Facebook are utterly disgraceful! |
by Videx on 23 March 2010 - 13:32 |
| post your comments here; http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2010/03/01/have-your-say-march/comment-page-1/#comment-16012 |
by Videx on 23 March 2010 - 14:27 |
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by Videx on 23 March 2010 - 14:39 |
| Comment from Carol Keen, the breeder/ owner of the Crufts 2010 GSD B.O.B. regarding the latest Kennel Club Statement. “To breed and own a GSD like Clokelly Lagos has been my life’s ambition. I am dedicated to this lovely GSD breed. I have taken Lagos through every health screening test appropriate for our breed, which he has passed with flying colours. I have also taken Lagos through the most stringent assessment tests and examinations for GSD in Germany, our breeds motherland. Again he has passed them ALL with flying colours. I have actively supported the Kennel Club and its licensed shows for many years, something I am currently questioning very seriously indeed. I find the latest Kennel Club Statement deeply offensive, and like me, I am sure the majority of our GSD breed enthusiasts will be deeply insulted by it. The Kennel Club have failed to make any reference to the complaints made to them about the television interview itself being unfair, and insulting, and in very bad taste. Particularly against a GSD judged to be best of breed, and a GSD specialist judge. A GSD Judge specifically selected by the Kennel Club for his qualifications and qualities, who was singularly abandoned, unsupported by the Kennel Club Secretary in this TV interview. The Kennel Club Secretary surely had a duty to the exhibitor and the GSD exhibit correctly entered and judged at its own Crufts Show, and the GSD Judge, during that infamous TV interview. She completely failed in this respect, concentrating solely and unjustifiably on scoring points against the GSD breed, disgraceful indeed. Especially considering the exemplary status of my dogs show record, health screening record and assessments record. The Kennel Club Statement is clearly a COP-OUT, and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Our GSD exhibitors within Great Britain clearly lead the way for all pedigree dogs breeds in Health Screening and Fit for Function assessments. The Kennel Club’s choosing to focus on UNSOUNDNESS is simply to steer attention away from compulsory health screening tests, onto “visible faults”. In other words “Out of sight – Out of mind” – Then the majority of people registering GSD litters can continue ‘unrestricted’, because NO ONE will be looking at their breeding stock for UNSOUNDNESS, and they can continue NOT doing any health screening, such as Hips, Elbows, Haemophilia tests, DNA tests etc. They can continue NOT having their breeding stock assessed in any way whatsoever, especially for suitable characters and temperaments, which to the General Public is the MOST IMPORTANT ASSESSMENT FOR OUR GSD BREED. The Kennel Club should enter meaningful discussions with our GSD breed Clubs, without further delay. The Kennel Club could all too obviously learn a great deal from them.” Carol Keen |
by CAROL on 23 March 2010 - 14:42 |
| have left a comment on the blog |
CAROL by Sue B on 23 March 2010 - 14:42 |
| Joyce, Re the KC rule you have just highlighted, do you suppose the KC are implying that all CC shows should have or have to have, a Vet in Attendance?? While some are busy focusing on control, others are looking openly at the Bigger Picture. The latest KC statement also says, quote:- " ........ it should be noted that within all of the high profile breeds, both judges and monitors were required to submit a report about the dogs that they saw before them at DFS Crufts. These reports will, as always, go to the Kennel Club’s Dog Health Group and if there is a discrepancy between them the Kennel Club will ask the relevant judge to provide an explanation, which will be assessed accordingly." This isnt ONLY about the Judge at Crufts and his Crufts BOB and its breeder, it is about EVERY Judge and breeder of EVERY German Shepherd Dog (note GSD not Alsatian), at EVERY Club signing the KC's Undertaking and thereby holding a CC show. Read again the part of the comment which states :- ".... if there is a discrepancy between them the Kennel Club will ask the relevant judge to provide an explanation, which will be assessed accordingly." And just 'HOW' will the judges explanation be assessed? Or probably the more pertinant question to ask would be 'WHO' exactly will be assessing the judges explanation !! Claire Balding perhaps? And what then? Have the KC even thought this far ahead? And if so, would they care to enlighten the rest of us with what, in such circumstances, their next actions will be should the judges opinion / explanation not be satifactorally iin sync with the KC?!!!!!! Will the KC be suspending or removing CC status from the judge? Remove the CC status from the Dog and/or suspend him from exhibition at other shows, after all they did evict a Pensioner from Crufts on the premise of her apparently Unsound 5mth old puppy, plus there is the rule Joyce has just pointed out that says the Vet can authorise the dog be removed from further competition. Well if he was unsound at one show and according to the KC;s own Undertaking this unsoundness is a Health Issue, then surely ANY DOG EVICTED from one show, must automatically not be Healthy enough to attend another??!! Also, whereby Crufts is one thing with good ole Claire Balding , Caroline Kisko, all these KC Monitors and Vets in attendance, but what are the KC going to COMPARE the Breed Clubs CC judges report with? Special KC observers / Monitors that they send to every CC show? The Show Secretary's opinion and/or Annual Report?? The Club Chairmans opinion??? Any other Championship Show judges opinion or ANY complaint recieved from ANYBODY attending the show???? Furthermore, have any of these Clubs which have already signed or are preparing to sign this Undertaking even thought to ASK ?????? Regards Sue b |
by Sue B on 23 March 2010 - 15:03 |
| bumped |
by noddi on 23 March 2010 - 15:20 |
| i would think that the kc are fed up to the back teeth of us.each time they throw a spanner into the works,we find other questions which no doubt the kc havent foreseen.keep at it folks,chipping away,they,ll soon crumble ,hopefully into oblivion.Carole S. |
by Joyce on 23 March 2010 - 15:51 |
| Sue regarding highlighted .. I dont know if that was just the ruling for Crufts, I got it off the KC site will have a look later to see if it refers to all shows. |
by Videx on 23 March 2010 - 17:01 |
by bazza on 23 March 2010 - 18:18 |
| Bump |
by simple on 23 March 2010 - 18:59 |
| Gosh. That statement says one thing to me, which is the KC thanking BAGSD for signing their contract. Your Breed needs you. Join up now, Join the GSDL. It is that simple. |
by Sue B on 23 March 2010 - 19:11 |
| To right Carole (noddi). !!!!! Good Advice Simple!!! Puts a whole new perspective on Health Issues eh !!! THE DISGRACE OF OUR BRITISH KENNEL CLUB AND THEIR BIGOTTED NEED FOR CONTROL ARE SO BUSY BEING FOCUSED ON THE HINDQUARTERS AND HOCKS OF THE GSD, MOST OF WHICH HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PROVEN HEALTH TESTS, AT THE EXPENCE OF OTHER BREEDS GOING UNHINDERED INTO PRODUCING DOGS SUFFERING AND DYING FROM VERY REAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. THE ALL TOO TYPICAL HYPOCRACY OF THE BRITISH KENNEL CLUB |
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