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ForumsGerman Shepherd Dog > Can anyone tell me about Branko Vom Salztalblick or his offspring? (51 replies)
by steve1 on 24 April 2010 - 07:55 |
| I stand to be corrected but this is what i know of Branko, he has sired some 290 puppies and about 15 of those have been Korclassed 1 The training in the video the Guy does not have a clue as to what he is doing except to ruin a possibly nice Puppy , as regards the Poster saying it will bite you then why would he want the Pup to bite human flesh, My guess is this breed of Dog is not suitable for this Poster in general, if he condones this type of training and the attitude of Biting Steve1 |
steve1 by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 24 April 2010 - 17:05 |
| I'm not breeding pets that will bite a sleeve or sport dogs as most of you call it. I'm breeding working dogs that are hard enough to be working dogs. |
Von Schwarz Lilie K9 by firefly on 24 April 2010 - 23:21 |
| Von Schwarz Lilie K9's video reminds me of Tim Helser's type of training ! |
by K9Sport on 25 April 2010 - 00:14 |
| I have news for you von schwarz... put that puppy on the ground without a tie and she's gonna run the other way.... look at the avoidance.... she turns her back on the man and wont engage him until he gets up close and personal... she has no choice.... she's tied to the table so she bites him (barely). Look at the lip licking.... she is soooo unsure and sooooo afraid.... There is nothing in that training video that shows a good working dog.... and she ABSOLUTELY isn't showing hardness!! |
K9Sport by darylehret on 25 April 2010 - 02:23 |
| And the worst part of it is, the dog could quite possibly be a fine representation of its genetics, a good dog being ruined. Don't blame the dog if you end up unhappy with the results. Some day you might look back on this, and shake your head with a little embarassment. Table training is meant for expedient results but only by skilled helpers IMO, who at least realize when they're putting too much pressure on the dog, who can build them up without tearing them down in the process. |
darylehret by poseidon on 25 April 2010 - 02:49 |
| The irony is the helper or decoy is incapable of reading the dog and instead of building the dog's confidence in bitework has taken a few steps forward in defense work. |
poseidon by steve1 on 25 April 2010 - 04:01 |
| I have never seen table training over here in Belgium, they do not do it in the part i live in to my knowledge and i have been about a bit However what the Guy in the Video is doing is amateurish to say the least he does not have a clue, To start you never leave a sleeve on anywhere the dog can grab it unless you the handler wants it too and waving a stick at it to get it to react is way off beam, The Dog will soon be ruined for any form of work acting the way the Helper is in that Video No matter what work you want the dogs to attempt you need to get professional advice on how to go about it and get the best out of the Dogs, and this one is but a Puppy yet you push it beyond its limits, Why? Nothing to be proud of in showing it Steve1 |
by windwalker18 on 25 April 2010 - 04:47 |
| I hope that they hear that the comments are being made NOT as criticism of their dog, but of the training methods. In fact most posters agree that this is a fine looking young animal. Shame if she's turned into a mere area guard dog instead of being nurtured and molded into the companion and personal protection she could be if taught to actually enjoy her training and to trust and love their handler.... |
windwalker18 by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 05 May 2010 - 00:55 |
| This is Jade on the ground. |
by VomMarischal on 05 May 2010 - 03:21 |
| She IS a pretty dog. But I don't think that concrete is a good idea. |
by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 26 June 2010 - 21:26 |
This is Jade the first time on the bite suit. 13 months old. |
by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 08:04 |
Wow..pushing a dog into that kind of defense so early is just terrible. That trainer looks like he doesn't have a clue. You look like you are training in some sort of slum movie, trying to be cool. the dog has avoidance, and getting in the dog's face like that is not helping the situation. looks like you are training a junk yard dog. Pathetic. She spits the sleeve out so fast, she has not time to even enjoy her reward. She has very little confidence in this situation, sorry to say. And the video of her tied to the pole- equally pathetic. If you are going to back tie a dog, you should do it correctly. Having it tied so low, is not helping. It is tripping her up, and she loses her footing, and is just a bad scene. What exactly do you want to do with this dog? Amanda |
afwark15 by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 08:16 |
Von schwarz lilie Even your training videos on your facebook page are poor. If you are working a dog on the ground, you should really be working him, not dancing around with a stick, and sticking the sleeve out 10 feet in front of you.....you and/ or your trainer needs to learn how to work dogs. And you are breeding dogs that have no titles, and probably are not OFA'd or A stamped. You are a backyard breeder with a fancy name, and some lame-o "bitework" videos. Amanda |
by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 27 June 2010 - 13:58 |
You are right Amanda she does spit the sleeve out fast and goes straught back for the man. Avoidance you say, I tell you what put your money where your mouth is. Come down just look at her wrong I promise you will get bit hard. Once again I'm not breeding pets that bite a sleeve. In another 11 months this female will be as tough as they come. And I will put my pedigrees and what kind of dogs I'm producing up against yours any day of the week. |
by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 15:16 |
Your pedigrees? what pedigrees? Simply put, what you breed is crap! Does any of your breeding stock having titles whatsoever? Or even hip/ elbow ratings? What are you doing for the German Shepherd exactly? All are you concerned with is "Oh man, this dog can bite for real, for real, for real" come on...are you trying to give the Shepherd a bad name along with the pit bulls? I have a highly defensive dog, and I learned the hard way that all that in your face barking does not mean toughness. Put some real pressure on that dog, and she will crumble, which is a shame because she could turn out nice. I know, it has happened to me...and I was devastated. But hopefully you will learn! Look at her wrong, and she will bite hard? What kind of dog are you trying to place in a home...a huge liability! That is exactly what it is....definitely not something to brag about. The dog should be able to decipher the good situations from the bad ones, the good people from the bad ones, and looking at a dog wrong and having it attack is not a sign of a stable dog....sorry. You are digging your grave deeper Amanda |
by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 27 June 2010 - 15:57 |
| Amanda since your pedigrees are so great what are they. All my dogs parents have good hips and elbows. I have all mine x-rayed befire breeding. How many dogs off of your dogs are police or personal/property protection dogs? I 3 working police dogs as we speak and 3 personal protection dogs working. Your dog won't even protect you unless the perp is wearing a sleeve. The sleeve is your dogs reward praise and a job well done is mine. my dogs will protect me in a real world situation ha yours will not. You can go on list of breeders and see my bloodlines how can I see yours since they are so great. How many of your dogs have had drug and criminal apprehention? |
by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 17:35 |
| For the record, I am not training personal protection dogs. I don't want my dogs biting people if they get looked at wrong. And you don't know a thing about whether my dogs will protect me, so inform yourself before you go flapping your gums. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/639049.html http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/548708.html You cannot hide behind the fact that you are breeding dogs with generations of no titles. Poor breeding practices. (my one dog who's parents do not have titles is the highly defensive one) wouldn't trade her for the world, but I now believe that dogs should have titles in order to be bred! ( I bought her, I do not breed) Amanda |
by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 27 June 2010 - 18:27 |
| You make no sense all my dogs are titled from parents or grandparents back. I have some of the best linebred dogs in the world. Your just someone who thinks a title makes the dog. So it is you that needs to do your research The breeding of the dog in question Jade is a 5,5-5,5,5 in V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich 4,4,5-4 in V Troll von der bosen Nachbarschaft 5,5-5 in X Askia vom Froschgraben 4-3 in V Yoschy von der Dollenwiese 5-4 in SG Mona von der Dollenwiese so the fact that you say my dogs are crap just goes to show how big of a moron you really are. Trying to match your dogs to mine is like trying to match Rolex to Timex. And you even contradict yourself in your last post your best dog is the 1 without titled parents but you believe parents should be titled. This is real cut and dry you have sport dogs, I have working dogs. |
by Red Sable on 27 June 2010 - 18:55 |
| I don't see any avoidance on that last video. Why are you guys teaching your dogs bite work ( in schutzhund) if you don't want them to bite? Huh? The protection part is just that, protection. Skip it then if you don't want your dogs to protect you. Make absolutely no sense. |
Red Sable by Von Schwarz Lilie K9 on 27 June 2010 - 19:23 |
| Well 23 year old kid Amanda I just watched your youtube video of your toughest dog and like I said the perp better have on a sleeve or you have had a bad day. That dog is so equipment oriented its funny. You have alot to learn and growing up to do. You know nothing about the breed and your all over the place on the other topics you comment on. You need to stick to your sport club talk before you make an even bigger joke out of yourself. |
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