German Shepherd Dog > King GSD does it mean anything?? (18 replies)
King GSD does it mean anything??
by DuvalGSD on 09 March 2010 - 16:25
|I'm new to the terminology of GSD talk. Most people on the street bragg about how they have a King GSD . HEre are some of my ?S|
1. Sable GSD's what makes this?
is it the color of furr or the body shape
2.I see the hieght of the dog is a major thing to, for example the dog was only 25?
is it heighth or length?
3. Black GSD's are they considered to be call Belgen or Black Gsd's?
4.No one likes Ceasar the dog Whisper why?
Thank you for any feed back, Remember i'm just trying to learn and get the know how on GSD's so please be easy on my ?'s
by Kimmelot on 09 March 2010 - 16:44
|Sable is the color of the coat, it refers to the wolfy looking or wild looking coat color where each hair has different colors on it giving the overall sable pattern ( the base is light, then dark in the middle, then light at the tip ). The dogs sometimes look almost black and tan blanketed except that the whole dark blanket is all sable . There is all different shades of sable , and right now the red sable is the most popular. I like black sable the best, but I also have never owned a sable colored dog. |
I have one male that was started in the siegar show ring when he was young, but he was rejected, he is 27 1/2 inches at the shoulder. He is Over sized, too big.. a great dog otherwise with drives and family personality.. great herding dog ( for cows not sheep - too big of a dog could kill sheep that is one reason to have the particular size dog - Another reason to have the 25-26 inch male is because their small size they are easy to lift over fences ( for police ) and can jump easy into small windows when chasing bad guys )
A black GSD is a color , not a breed. The Belgian shepherd is a different breed.
I love the Dog Whisperer, but many don't because they never show all of the things he does. His attitude towards creating calm and submissive dogs is 100% for the average pet owner. Many people over react towards there dogs because they have not been around enough dogs to realize there pack order, and they let there dogs act like spoiled brats. People that are inconsistent with there training will have behavior problems, and this is where Cesar can help.
by DuvalGSD on 09 March 2010 - 16:59
A king GSD? does that make a different and what makes a King GSD?
by Sunsilver on 09 March 2010 - 17:21
|A King German Shepherd is a rare breed recongnize by the American Rare Breed Association. They branched off from the Shiloh Shepherd, another rare breed. |
The breed founder of the Kings wanted to breed her Shilohs to Moessler-type herding dogs (Great Pyrenees), and the breed founder of the Shiloh, Tina Barber, didn't agree with this. She took the breeder (Shelly Watts-Cross) to court, and won, and Shelly was no longer able to use the Shiloh name. She changed the name to King Shepherds. They are NOT purebred GSDs.
Beware of people who try to sell you an oversized GSD as a King Shepherd. They are two different breeds!
The Shiloh Shepherd is mostly German Shepherd. An outcross was made during the 1990s to a dog that was a mix of Giant Malemute and German Shepherd (Secret Samson-Woo). At that point, the dogs could no longer be registered with the AKC, and had to become a separate breed. The dogs were mostly old American showlines, with additions of blood from a white GSD (Hoofprint Orbit) and an Altdeuscher Schaeferhunde (long haired GSD) named Artus zum Soehrewald.
Breed founder's website: www.shilohshepherds.org/
by DuvalGSD on 09 March 2010 - 17:42
Thank made alot of sense, but why do some many people bragg about owning a KING GSD, My buddy has a all white male wich wieghs 125+ lbs and is big as a house.. My female, her dad was a beast too. The guy i got the female from said she has the King shephard genes in the blood line but her mom was small. But she looks more like her father then her mom, which was all black!!! Weird
by Sunsilver on 09 March 2010 - 17:52
|Duval, there is a lot of ignorance out there ! Most people think King shepherds are just oversized GSDs, and some will tell you the same thing about Shilohs.|
Some people just think 'bigger is better', but where the GSD is concerned, that isn't necessarily so. If you want to do protection sports with your dog. a GSD that is within the breed standard (22 to 26 inches, and weighs around 60 to 85 lbs.) is the best choice. Larger dogs are not as agile, and the jumping and rapid changes of direction are very hard on their joints.
It's good that you are taking the time and trouble to educate yourself.
by Kimmelot on 09 March 2010 - 20:04
I think that some larger dogs can be agile , although its not the norm. Its like comparing the Draft horse to a Warm blood, they can be the same hight but one obviously will be better in dressage.
I don't want to see a 125 lb German shepherd trying to herd a goat, lol .. its much better when their backs are about the same hight as the goat/sheep. My 27 1/2 inch Axel can jump a 6 foot fence, bite a sleeve, herd the cow, kiss my children just as good as a smaller male ( but he is of the athletic build , not cobby or fat not as heavy as he looks). He can also jump into our dodge 4X4 pick up lifted 8 inches with no effort.
You know most people exaggerate the size of there dogs anyways. I had a 2nd time buyer come back and look at the sire and say " gee I thought he was way bigger than that" . There female ended up just as tall as dad (spayed female). I think the imagination of some people can tweak there view of what should be.
by Sunsilver on 09 March 2010 - 20:17
|Whisper, yes, there are exceptions! Some large dogs can be very agile. |
One thing that bugs me is the way some breeders of oversized dogs brag about the dog's weight, and size, and when you look at the photo, the dog is way, way overweight! No way are THOSE dogs going to be able to do schutzhund!
by DuvalGSD on 09 March 2010 - 20:17
I kinda feel hopeless on finding My next GSD with no issues and is politically correct. I find this website has alot of critics and not to many people have the same story on this or that. Don;t get me wrong i'm learning everyday from this site, but theres alot of conflicting into.
by Sunsilver on 09 March 2010 - 20:31
|Duval, you have to ask yourself what YOU want from this dog. What are you planning to do with it? If your primary goal is schutzhund, get a working line dog. If you like the look of the showlines, and want a dog that may have a little less drive, or may not be as keen on the bitework, get a showline. Some showlines do both very well, but a showline will cost you more money.|
How experienced are you? Would a trained adult dog maybe be a good choice, if you don't feel you have the experience to raise and train a puppy?
by DuvalGSD on 09 March 2010 - 23:18
|i HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN gsd'S NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT BUT I LIKE THE GSD'S I GOT , I KINDA WISH I DID NOT LOOKING BEFORE I GOT MY MALE , BUT NO COMPLAINTS HERE I'M LEARNING AS I GO AND I STILL GET AMAZED BY BOTH MY GSD''S.. MY ENTIRE FAMILY HAS HAD GSD'S AND I GOT THEM FOR THE FAMILY AND TO PROTECT THE HOME. BUT IN THE FUTURE I WAS TO INVEST IN A GSD WITH A HIGH QULITY BLOOD LINE. ME MY SELF DOES NOT THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT I HAVE TO TRY IT TO JUDGE FOR MY SELF.|
COMING FROM PEOPLE I KNOW THAT HAVE GSD'S COMPAIRED TO THIS WEBSITE IS NIGHT AND DAY.BUT I WILL STAY OPEN MINDED AND CONTINUE TO LEARN AND GATHER HELPFUL INFO FOR NOW AND THE FURUTE..
I DID WANT TO BREED MY FEMALE BUT OUT OF RESPECY FOR THE BREED, I NEED MORE INFO AND KNOW HOW ON THE KINDA OF MALE GSD I WANT TO GET BEFORE I TAKE THAT LEAP OF FAITH...
by GSDXephyr on 10 March 2010 - 03:31
|One of the great things about this board is that so many passionate people from all over the globe come here and share thier interest in the breed. They may not always agree, and the sheer volume of info. here can be overwhelming for sure! The knowledge base is definately different than one finds "around the neighborhood."|
Heck, in my neighborhood they don't even know that my dog IS a german shepherd half the time.
I don't really see "King" shepherds around here, I don't think they are that popular where I am. I've seen a few Shilohs though.
by VonIsengard on 10 March 2010 - 04:40
Pick up The German Shepherd Today by Winifred Gibson Strickland. You will learn a lot! Now if we could just teach you not use the phrase "epic fail"...
by DuvalGSD on 10 March 2010 - 14:35
GOOD LOOKING OUT, BUT I'M STUCK ON FAIL AND EPIC THIS MONTH... NEXT MONTH WILL BE ANOTHER GREAT PHRASE TO USE. I'LL LOOK FOR THAT BOOK NOW
by CrysBuck25 on 10 March 2010 - 17:46
|An acquaintance of mine found a copy of that book and gave it to me for my birthday. It has a lot of good information, if a bit out of date, but the thing I didn't like was the part where they showed how to stack a dog so that his faults aren't obvious...But I guess that dog showing is like politics.|
Anyway, very good infomation there, and if you can find a copy of it, read every page.
by Red Sable on 13 March 2010 - 21:50
|"Heck, in my neighborhood they don't even know that my dog IS a german shepherd half the time. "|
Here to Heather. The dog counter just left me a bill for dog tags for one German Shepherd and a Shepherd X.
I think this he meant this one is my Shepherd X .
by yoshy on 13 March 2010 - 22:12
Im with ya red sable-
by Red Sable on 13 March 2010 - 22:19
|LOL Yoshi, too funny!|
by DuvalGSD on 14 March 2010 - 20:27
|RED SABLE , |
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