German Shepherd Dog > VA rated dog with HGH title? (15 replies)
VA rated dog with HGH title?
by burtonbe on 13 February 2010 - 01:52
I'm looking for examples of VA rated dogs that hold HGH titles. I am having trouble finding any dogs of recent. If anyone could provide some names of VA rated dogs with HGH titles it would be appreciated.
by Mackenzie on 13 February 2010 - 08:23
|Xitta v Kirschental|
by Aqua on 13 February 2010 - 21:11
|If you would consider a V2 HGH dog, there's Galaxy v Ajaye.|
by Liesjers on 14 February 2010 - 05:17
|I sincerely doubt you will find any now. Xitta achieved VA because she was subsequently titled in SchH. From Karl Fuller's site:|
""Xitta" was a pure working dog with the sheep, when I presented her for the first time at the HZS, where she achieved V4 in the GHKL. At the evaluation, quote the Bundeszuchtwart, Hermman Martin: " I would have placed this dog VA, had she also had a SchH title, not just the HGH." Thereupon, I had Edzard Müller train "Xitta" through SchH3 IPO3 FH. The following year, "Xitta" achieved VA3. As much time was spent for competitions and shows, I was not able to breed "Xitta" as much as I would have liked to."
You will find V1 HGH dogs, since the BSZS has an HGH class and awards the V1 rating. I would be curious if there are still any dogs in the "working class" that have HGH titles and are earning V-ratings without SchH titles. It seems based on the quote above that not having SchH titles as well knocks a dog out of the running.
by Xeph on 14 February 2010 - 06:38
|It seems based on the quote above that not having SchH titles as well knocks a dog out of the running.|
Which stinks, considering (to the best of my understanding) that only one or the other is required.
by VonIsengard on 14 February 2010 - 06:58
|I'm sure it has to do with the level on training, Xeph. After all, a SchH1 is NOT eligible for VA, and a dog must be SchH3 to obtain VA more than once. If an HGH is comparable in terms of wrok, pressure, and training to a SchH1 only , it makes perfect sense. Perhaps someone more experienced in HGH than I can explain to us the comparable difficulty between and HGH and the 3 levels of schutzhund.|
by Renofan2 on 14 February 2010 - 12:50
|Rezkat has a HGH, SchH3 male (Ike). Hopefully she will respond to this thread and answer your question regarding the difficulty between a HGH and 3 levels of Schutzhund. She also has a novice AKC Rally title on him. She has done some very impressive work.|
by Liesjers on 14 February 2010 - 19:29
|I think it stinks too, Xeph. Though it makes sense since the herding class at the BSZS are V-rated and not given VAs. Most of the dogs do have some SchH training though, because they need to do the bitework tests for their Koerungs and I believe there is a bite/protection in the HGH? My breeder owns a BSZS Herding class Siegerin, 12 times HGH titled, and sometimes she comes out to work protection at our SchH club. She is actually quite hard, more serious than many of the dogs there training SchH.|
Considering how quickly I see some show dogs miraculously go from nothing to SchH3 *eyeroll*, I can't believe that the HGH is any easier/quicker....
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 14 February 2010 - 21:04
|Yes, there is some bitework in HGH trial, just not to the level of sch. If my memory servesme, it is the attack out of the blind and/or maybe a long bite, I can't remember now. So, yes, there is some bitework there, not a whole lot, but some.|
by sunshine on 16 February 2010 - 01:05
| I believe the protection requirement has recently been discontinued in the HGH. I just went through the regulations on the SV website and could not find the requirement. I don't know the reason why it was discontinued.|
It was still a requirement in 2006 and the judge tells the show chair exactly what he wants to see in the bitework. They want to see a dog that engages. It is not a typical SchH1 routine.
A dog with an HGH does not have to do a BH or AD.
If you ever have a chance to see a HGH trial, do. It is a rare thing to experience and I hope that it is with us for many more years to come. Having a HGH conformation class at the Siegershow in my estimation is very important. Unfortunately the classes have few spectators. It is just a part of the history and not the focus anymore.
by Liesjers on 16 February 2010 - 04:04
|Thanks for the info. A dog needs a BH and AD for a KKL right? So even an HGH dog that is KKL1 would still have an AD, BH, and enough bitework training to pass the courage tests.|
by eichenluft on 16 February 2010 - 04:14
|there is no longer any bitework requirement in the HGH - only an "alert" test where the helper comes out of hiding and the dog must stand his ground and preferably bark at him. That's it. It used to be a test similar to the protection test at breed survey, but no longer.|
The HGH titled dog does not need a BH or AD to get a KKl (breed survey) or conformation rating.
by jade on 20 February 2010 - 18:19
|.....had a grandaughter of.... va xitta vom kirschental..she had many titles also hgh|
by Louise M. Penery on 20 February 2010 - 18:46
|One assumes that for a HGH dog to receive a breed survey, the dog would have to do the same protection work as other dogs in the survey. Also, if a hypothetical HGH were to go VA or V at a sieger show, the dog would have to pass a similar performance routine with a pronounced rating.|
by UlfKintzel on 22 February 2010 - 01:30
|The SV has some discrepancies when it comes to the rating of an HGH title. Their awards system rates the HGH title the same way as a SchH 3. On the other hand, there are no VA rated dogs with an HGH title only. It is true that they like to see a SchH title on the dog also in order to rate the dog VA although I am unaware of any official requirement stating this. However, this is a bit a red herring anyway since HGH titled dogs are hardly ever VA material anyway.|
I titled the afore mentioned Galaxy v Ajaye. He is a very solid V rated dog but definitely not VA material (Sorry Maren, I hope that didn’t hurt your feelings ).
In a breed survey a HGH titled dog has to show the same routine as a SchH titled dog. Just the prerequisites are different (no AD needed).
Molly is correct with the description of the protection test in an HGH trial. The emphasis in an HGH trial is, of course, the herding aspect. The protection test is merely a traditional part of an HGH trial and does not affect the outcome.
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by Smiley on 12 March 2010 - 22:13
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