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The Salztalblick lines by Xeph on 09 February 2010 - 07:36 |
| I'm just looking for some general information on this line of dogs. Do any of you have anything that you could share with me? Also, any info that you could provide on Paska, Ellex, and Branko? |
Xeph by Kreiger on 09 February 2010 - 12:26 |
| I don't think there is such a thing as a Satzablick line.I find it would be easier to select the dog that Satzablick owns that best suits your taste and research that. I feel you have the breeders that breed for a cause in the breed or for better lack of words,there own version of what the breed should be and to establish there own line per say.Then you have the other breeder that breeds solely for work purposes and not too worried about fixing issues as long as they get what they were looking for. |
Kreiger by Jen_j41 on 09 February 2010 - 14:13 |
which category does Saltztalblick fall under? IYO? |
by tntk9 on 09 February 2010 - 15:09 |
| my paska son is a strong , powerful dog in training and real life. |
by Jen_j41 on 09 February 2010 - 16:36 |
| can you post paskas pedigree? |
by Xeph on 09 February 2010 - 19:16 |
| Paska's Pedigree http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/126254.html Paska, Ellex, and Branko are the boys I like, and they have the Salztalblick suffix, but if I'm incorrect in thinking that the kennel owner has his own line going, I apologize. I just like the looks of the dogs and have heard a few good things about them. I love his bitches, Esly, Nandy, Onja, Gunde, and Pinja |
by K9 motivation on 10 February 2010 - 02:22 |
| I have a 17 month old female out of Branko salztalblick. She is wonderful! She is however ALOT of dog to deal with. She is absolute joy to train. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/590375.html |
K9 motivation by Gustav on 10 February 2010 - 02:57 |
| The Salzatablick dogs have evolved over the past twenty years, IMO. They used to be noted for being very hard, even handler hard, with good conformation, but a dog to go to put some hardness in your breeding. Similar to Korbelbach dogs of the past. Today , I find these dogs to have very high levels of conformation in many cases, excellent working characteristics and still a very nice dog. |
by Xeph on 10 February 2010 - 03:02 |
| Gustav, you see the same things I do, which is why I like the looks of the so much. I personally feel they have exemplary structure...something that is lacking in a few workin glines. |
by Silbersee on 10 February 2010 - 23:53 |
| Hi Gustav, Willi Mueller breeds a lot of dogs. That is why there are three different kennel names (Salztalblick, Haus Salztalblick and Salztalhoehe). The SV limits the amount of litters a breeder can do in a year. Most of his notable dogs come through his foundation females: Hella Mutzbach, Bora Granit Rose, Nandi Jungen Hansen and a couple others. I have talked to him a couple of times on the phone and he does have strong beliefs regarding health and conformation. Certain bloodlines would not be added to his program due to health issues and some things worry him (lack of stop and overall conformation in workinglines etc.). While I can't say anything about Branko and Ellex other than that they are halfbrothers and do not really represent Willi's foundation stock at all, I certainly can say a lot about Paska. Paska was a producer of conformation and 70% of his surveyed progeny was in KKL1. He himself was a dominant dog and a bit handler, ehm problematic. That is the reason he was not in competitions. Unfortunately, he died at a younger age due to a nasty injury. My girl was one of the last females bred to him. Paska left some nice daughters like Haika Salztalblick (who I saw an the 2008 BSP in Baunatal with memorable protection work) and a few striking sons who will hopefully (or have already) step up into his shoes, like Faro Xazziam, Unkas Riedschlurgi (both owned by Salztalblick), our homebred Onyx vom Silbersee and Nolan vom alten Wingertshaus. What I got out of my Paska-breeding was nice angulation and a more plushy stock coat. A lot of workinglines have the more common short stockcoat. Interestingly, quite a few nice Paska-children are linebred (distantly) on Arek Stoffelblick. Both of my Paska-children are V-rated. We liked it so much that we took their mother to Paska-son Nolan vom alten Wingertshaus and had 3 nice females in that litter with lots of bone and personality. They will be 5 months old tomorrow. One was a beautiful long stockcoat, the other is co-owned with my girlfriend in Idaho and Uschi is still here with us. As Paska-granddaughters, I expect them to have the same attributes. They also add Buster vom Adelmannsfelder Land with Nolan's motherline. Here is Uschi a couple of days ago (the photos are not the greatest but I am trying to show her topline and angulation at 4 months):   |
Silbersee by Silbersee on 11 February 2010 - 00:05 |
| Even though it does not really belong into this thread, I think there are lots of other workinglines with positive conformation. I have done extensive research on that since I am a true conformation person at heart and always will be. But I do love good looking workinglines. I would recommend to look at Stadtfeld dogs for conformation. That breeder has always looked for that. Yoschy von der Doellenwiese is another fine example, or Nick Heiligenboesch (careful with eye color, though). My V-rated workingline girl goes to Fax vom Tor zum Sauerland (Bandit van Gogh, Arek Stoffelblick) and on her sire's side to Yane vom Stadtfeld. I attribute her ability to produce conformation to these lines. The breeder vom alten Wingertshaus has some really nice dogs, too. Another dog I like and now bred to his line, is Melano vom Cap Arkona, a Nick Heiligenboesch-son out of old Busecker Schloss foundation-lines. I enjoyed this one Tiekerhook interview from your other thread in which the breeder states that conformation is and will be important to breeding good working dogs. Koos also mentioned that Busecker Schloss had a lot of influence on his kennel. Regards, Chris |
by ILMD on 11 February 2010 - 03:18 |
| Silbersee, that was a good read and a lot of good info. Thanks for posting. |
by Xeph on 11 February 2010 - 04:17 |
| Thank you for the info, Silbersee :) Very important. Paska's injury was a broken penis, wasn't it? |
by Gustav on 11 February 2010 - 05:34 |
| Hey Chris, Real nice post...contrary to many beliefs I love good conformation also. I have a 13 month old male that is 5-5 Arek Stoffelblick, has Nick, has Sirk, Aly, all V rated dogs and his father is an all black V rated male. I am very pleased with his conformation at this point. I really value your posts about some of the better rayed workinglines in Germay. Keep them coming especially when you get new stuff. |
by Silbersee on 11 February 2010 - 15:04 |
| Thanks Gustav and ILMD. Xeph, yes that was the reason for Paska's euthanization . It caused urine to leak to the inside. Willi Mueller had tried everything but to no avail. At the end, it was the humane thing to do. Very tragic! |
by tntk9 on 11 February 2010 - 15:19 |
| it was a sad day. The gsd world lost a truley great dog. R.I.P. |
by Xeph on 11 February 2010 - 22:55 |
| Yeah Silbersee, I understood that he healed, broke it again, went septic, and was put down. It truly is such a shame. What a beautiful dog. I wish I could find video of him working. I've seen some of what he's put out and OMG GORGEOUS. |
by bgstout on 12 February 2010 - 01:25 |
| The mother of my dog is a Salztalblick female. I could not be happier with his temperment, working ability and structure. |
bgstout by maryzakomic on 12 February 2010 - 11:57 |
| I have a Branco Daughter, her mother is a Paska daughter.. I'm more than happy with her.. She has natural talent especially in the Obedience phase with excellent speed. also with good conformation - so I'm told. |
by Avorow on 14 February 2010 - 09:04 |
| I have an Ellex daughter out of Maja vom Haus Cismar. She is a dream dog, sweet temperament, decent conformation and a working fool. She is not hard to live with except for a tendency to want to be with you at all times. She is not dog aggressive at all, and looks to us for direction when the occasional foul dog shows up. It is too bad that Ellex end up in Trinidad/ Tobago, if Vinsie is any indication of what he produces, he should have been bred a lot more. |
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