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German Shepherd Dog > PREY DRIVE: ACTUALLY A FAULT? (96 replies)

by snajper69 on 16 December 2009 - 17:12

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The drive you referring to "protective drive" or whatever you call it, are you talking about defensive drive? If so you will screw up a dog very fast working him in a defense, you start with pray and than you bring defense site in a dog. You bring defense first and you will have issues. It's about balance of drives not one drive is better than other. Every single drive in dog has it's function. Without a pray drive your dog would not be able to hunt trust me. This is why every predator has pray drive. Pray and defense are not the same drives. They are not even close to each other. They serve two different purpose. And if your dog don't focus on you it's not because of pray drive but week pack drive.

Some basic drives:

Food drive dog's desire to persist in getting food (not always related to hunger)
Play drive dogs obsession with objects and his desire to entertain himself actively
Prey drive is the dog's intensity in chasing anything moving away - catching, biting, and carrying it.
Fight drive is the dogs desire to initiate and persist in confrontation, both physical and mental
Pack drive is the dogs desire to work with the handler and be a member of a team.

If your dog is more interested in catching chasing things it means that its pray drive is more developed than pack drive and a lot of time is caused by you the handler and your relationship with the dog. Yes some dogs are being produced to have strong pray drive, but that's not a problem as long as you know how to channel it in productive way, actually pray drive is the simplest to work with.

Now if you have a dog with strong fight drive this is when a problem can start, because the dog might initiate the fight (most unstable dogs are the ones with high fight drive, when I say high it means that other drives are underdeveloped or not present, not that you find a lot of dogs that have it).

You use all the drives to train your dog and if you can keep them at the same level that's when you dog will be optimal working dog.

by Nancy on 16 December 2009 - 20:12

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I thought prey drive was required and channeled for herding? No?
If you just wanted ONLY a guarding biting dog wouldnt you just go for a molosser?

by Scoutk9GSDs on 17 December 2009 - 01:12

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I dont think in terms of drive when Im training a dog. Perhaps thats what Im using.... perhaps not. The term is simply not productive to what Im trying to accomplish. Many things that Freemont says are in fact partly true. Prey drive as most people know it isnt required for most tasks.

by snajper69 on 17 December 2009 - 14:12

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Pray drive might be not required for every training goal but a good dog is about good balanced drives, dog that has just one type of drive is not a good dog in my book.

When I said that pray drive might not be required this was not with regards to protection training.

by Vikram on 17 December 2009 - 15:12

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how can you make this ridiculous statement. Prey drive is very very essential for stress relieve of the dog when woking in Protection work. Prey drive is not a fault. When protection training is done properly and very right then the dog starts shifting gears between Active defense and prey so that he can go back and forth at will. That is the ultimate goals of protection training

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by Scoutk9GSDs on 17 December 2009 - 16:12

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You are ABSOLUTELY correct! What was I thinking? Prey drive is essential. Without it a dog would die.....but why arent there a bunch of dead dogs who lack prey drive? Or are they dieing but just havent keeled over yet?  

Wait......how does a dog know to chase something (for relief) when it gets stressed if a person isnt around to throw a ball for it? Man there has to be some stressed out dogs in the world.

How do dogs bite if they dont have prey drive? Fear? So if a dog didnt have prey drive and it was scared of everything then that dog would die because it would be too scared of the bunny to bite it for lunch. Right? Ok......I got it now.....I think.

by snajper69 on 17 December 2009 - 17:12

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"...Prey drive is essential. Without it a dog would die.....but why arent there a bunch of dead dogs who lack prey drive? Or are they dieing but just havent keeled over yet? ."

You feed them that's why, in a wild pray drive would be essantial for the dog to hunt.


"How do dogs bite if they dont have prey drive? Fear?..."  yeah most of the time fear... thats where the defense drive kicks in. You saying that you will get a dog to bite without fear, if the dog has no pray drive? lol good luck with that.

by Vikram on 17 December 2009 - 17:12

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 its the imbalance of the drives which we need to be careful about out but then in some slow maturing lines defense drive comes much later in life.

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