German Shepherd Dog > 2012 USCA RESULTS by placements (34 replies)
by Mr.GSD on 27 May 2012 - 13:00
| Anyone have the results of the Longcoat competition? It appears that the SV's attempt to boost entries, gate, and income at their Sieger Shows by adding classes for "coats" has pretty much failed.|
Same for U.S. shows?
by djc on 27 May 2012 - 13:27
From what I understand Fred, is that USCA is saying the long coat entries almost doubled from last year. It appears to me that it is going to take a while before long coats are truly accepted and embraced. Too much stigma for so long to expect anything different, in my opinion.Debby
by SitasMom on 28 May 2012 - 03:56
They are posted, they are listed first, then the stock coats.... see the previous page for more information
by ceddyg on 28 May 2012 - 17:00
DJC, BRynjulf, Sitas Mom,
by susie on 28 May 2012 - 17:45
|And how many dogs of the Nationals fit into the breed standard / SG or better / Koered / hips and elbows okay ???|
Apples to apples.....
by SitasMom on 28 May 2012 - 17:48
|Susie - I just though the post was funny, I din't say anything one way or another about the numbers......|
One issue with sieger shows is that the helpers are too easy on the dogs......I wish the same level was expected and given for all dogs.
by susie on 28 May 2012 - 18:03
|You are right - on the Siegershow the helpers often ARE to easy on the dogs, but on the other hand there are participants of the Nationals, that should never been bred because of lacking the breed standard. Apples to apples... ( and I love good working dogs ).|
People are blind on every side - the workingline folks often don´t care about standard, the showline folks often don´t care about working ability.
BOTH are wrong - my personal opinion.
by Kevin Nance on 28 May 2012 - 18:35
You are correct in your assessment particularly in the States. However, some do care AND walk the talk.
As a small example, there were five dogs who participated at both the Working Dog Championship and Sieger Show.
Best to you,
by brynjulf on 29 May 2012 - 00:58
|Thank you Kevin!!!!!!|
by zdog on 29 May 2012 - 16:17
|every dog I've ever owned was bred to working line dogs bred to koer'd, titled and hip/elbow rated parents. |
I find the comparison of those failing bitework at a seiger show to those failing a trial to be laughable. Are you really serious with your comparison?
by ceddyg on 31 May 2012 - 02:37
You are missing the point. i am one of the few that actually show and work dogs. most of the dogs in the show and working rings shouldn't be bred. im just simply saying compare bitework to bitework. also the sport is designed for anyone who wants to compete can. with or without a dog that is breedable.
by djc on 31 May 2012 - 19:48
|You are absolutely correct Suzie! Both sides need to pay more attention to both sides of our dogs. ie: work and conformation. I have both wl and sl and do many combinations to improve both. So I understand how important it is.|
The reason I posted the stats was to show a well trained dog, EVEN National SchH/IPO competition dogs fail! It does not matter what phase. They were supposedly trained to compete at a national level and failed. This is normal to have some, who for some reason were not themselves and did not measure up that day and some that just do not have what it takes. The point is NOT arguing about the actual competition, the point is, there will always be some failure and this year the show dogs did much better than previous years. Because of that, there is no call for a comments like "Look at all the insufficients". No one says that about any other national competition!!!! That's not to say there isn't room for improvement even with the improvement exhibited! There is always a need for that!
Why be so negative!!?? Why not go for encouragement rather that cutting down others?! Look for the good to encourage and promote. Yes there are still some out there that don't care about work/conformation and there probably always will be, but there are more every year that seem to care about both. Why not point out the show dogs that ARE competing nationally and doing well? Why not point out the working dogs that have V conformation? Support and encourage them and give them the positive attention they deserve, rather than belly aching about the worst or those that tragically failed when on a different day would have done well.
by susie on 01 June 2012 - 20:46
Ceddyg: "every dog I've ever owned was bred to working line dogs bred to koer'd, titled and hip/elbow rated parents. "
I only said, that, as soon as you compare the bitework of a Siegershow with the bitework of the Nationals you need to compare the show ratings of these dogs, too.
Truth is: Some, maybe a lot of the showline dogs don´t deserve there SchH ratings ( they get them because the judges try to support outstanding standard )
but on the other hand-
some, maybe a lot of the working line dogs don´t deserve there show/breed survey ratings ( they get them because the judges try to support outstanding working ability )
This behavior is understandable, but doesn´t help the breed. As long as the majority of the breeder only looks at one side nothing will change.
Kind regards from Germany, Susie
by Gustav on 02 June 2012 - 13:37
As long as a German Shepherd will work effortlessly, faithfully, and courageously, I have no problem with show or sport......but if they won't....then I really don't care what the Sch score says, or the conformation judge, or the KK rating....hey but that's just me.
by susie on 02 June 2012 - 19:24
|I don´t either...but most people look at results only, go for "champions" - or worse - sons of champions - without knowing anything about the dog and his agenda|