Question for the breeders out there..........

I am looking at a litter of pups. The breeder is selling "working quality" for $1000 and $1200 for the "pick"

Is this just a ploy to get a little more money?

In this particular situation, my opinion is this breeder knows more about these particular lines than anyone in this country.

So i can go down and test a litter and choose my "pick" from 1 day of observation. But in this particular situation with a breeder who raised the litter and who knowlege about the lines far surpasses anyone I know, I would want their input if not just have them "pick" for me.

So what would be the difference between me paying the extra $200 or teling them exactly what I want out of the dog and have them send me a "working quality" pup?

Who has opinions on this? I am especially interested in what breeders have to say.

Pay the $200 if you trust the breeder enough to provide you what you are looking for. 

Chris Orkies/ chris.orkies@gmail.com

P.S. there are no picks per say only perceived good match ups.

Let me Clarify that statement.

Pick - Usually meant to imply first dibs.  I have seen many first dibbers not take the perceived best at the time.  Pups change some fizzle some wake up etc. 

exactly my point Chris.

Everyone's "pick" can be different for a different task. So if person "A" pays the extra $200 for a pick sport dog, and person B pays the extra $ for a pick Police dog, why should their be a difference in the price?

As far as the breeders, I do not know them personally. Have heard both good and bad. I believe they more know about the lines than anyone here in the US. As far as ethics, I do not know.

What's a guy to do?

It depends on what they call pick puppy. If it means the one they think is the best choice for sport in the litter in there eyes it may be worth it if you can varify what quality PICKS they have chosen for others and how those new owner felt about the pup they chose. If the ones they have chosen have ended up high caliber winning dogs, then yes pay the $200.

If pick puppy means You get to pick the first pup that leaves the litter, then you have a decission to make. Is making sure that you get that choice worth the extra cash? If you put up your deposit on a pup that's not pick are their any ahead of you? If not and the breeder goes by a list like first with the deposit ,after the pick, gets the next pick and you are next it may not be worth the extra 200. One mans best pick may not have been YOUR best pick.

By the way I meant VERIFY and DECISION. I really need to proof read before I hit submit. LOL.

Chris if you want to hang on to that black pup for me for a month or so til I get in the house.........

it might make my question a mute point........lol

 As people have already pointed out, one person's "pick" might not be someone else's. I agree with a breeder altering a price based on an individual pup's quality.  Paying more the best dog in the litter is one thing, paying more for "first dibs" is a ripoff 9 times out of ten. Just my 2 cents.

 the one raising the litter is in the best position to pick the best puppy. It's up to you to tell them what you are looking for. Yes, everyone has a different idea of pick. If a person can come and look at the whole litter and "picks" a different pup than I consider "pick pup", an extra charge does not apply. If they want the one I think is best one than the  extra charge applies.  Pay the extra 200.00 and be glad that's all it is.

Most of the time Breeders will hold back picks ( I hold back the top three) why would I let them go if they are truely the "pick"  is that not why we breed? is to better what we have for ourselves?

I personally do  not charge more for pick, sex or color as I personally feel it is wrong (as already pointed out one mans pick is another mans pet).

JMPO

interesting,, so the first person comes to buy a pup and takes pick, 1200, thank you,, second person comes over, i still have pick (my pick anyway), 1200,  thank you.   i can see where this could be a way of making more money.

puppy price is set for a litter.  pet quality (ie missing teeth, testicles, or long coat, etc.) get a discount along with limited registration.  thats how we do it anyway.

john

GARD- I want to imput that the black male chris has is one hell of a pup. I have said a few time that if i had the room i would make an exception for him.. Even though he is not a Czech dog.. Great grips and very outgoing.

On your question- I would say this ask the breeder if they will pick the best pup in the litter for what you want . If they only want 1200.00 to give you the option to pick what you think is best i would not go for that. I have raised litters myself and i know that after watching them for 8 to 9 weeks i know what pups i think are top sport / police prospects and what i think would go for a pet or low sport dog. I have many people who have tryed to pick pups based on color or what they see when they come. But you can not as the buyer know everything about a pup  in and hour. I as the breeder will send a buyer what ever pup best fits there needs and if i have people who come to see and buy a pup for pet i will bring out the pups that would be a good match for them ...

malinda

The thing that I don't understand, though perhaps it's because I'm not a breeder, but if the so-called "pick" puppy is the very best of the litter, a breeder would presumably want this puppy to go to the best possible owner, where it will be taken to it's full potential and, ideally, be a terrific representation of ones kennel, would they not?  This being so, why would you then charge this ideal owner more money?  I realize that all situations are different, but if this "pick" puppy is one that you expect to be shown and/or trained by the new owner and become a representative of your kennel and breed, would you not want to make the puppy accessible to the best owner possible rather than just the wealthiest?

Now, I know that $200 is not a big difference in price, but I have seen this amount for "pick" puppies range from that number to as much as $1500.  I know if I had an outstanding puppy, I would either be keeping it myself, or bending over backwards to make sure it is in the best situation possible for it's future success, not just trying to make the most money off of it.

And yes, I do know that there are many fine breeders out there who feel the exact same way, and naturally they are exempt from such criticism.  JMO.

 malinda, I had my eye on that black  pup from Chris too. If I had been in the market for a pup he was my pick too. I wonder if we are talking about the same pup. I think so. What a little fireball! From the last litter?

We must be talking about the same pup. He is a little troll.. I held for the tattoo on him and he waged his tail the whole time.. He got down and wanted to play with the towel.. Verynice pup .. Chris wanted to keep him and keeps telling me that i should but i dont have room for another male and I normaly would be only after a Czech / DDR dog. But i do have a west german working line who has made her way in as a just like her that much. I seen Dagen a few days ago and i realy like him.. If i did not have 2 young dogs that are 4 months old to raise and train then it would be even more tempting. I just have to learn to say NO more often.. I have 7 dogs in my house right now and realy think that another would be a bad idea...But he truly is a nice pup and anyone who gets him is very lucky as his grips are nice for hi age and he holds on for dear life...  I already have a burly brut for a male and dont realy need a pissing match as right now. my male thinks he is gods gift to the ladys..... HAHA..

I am a breeder and i will imput this also

Picks for me go in order of deposits and all pups are priced the same. Unless there is a discount for something like hernias, or something like that...

I will tell the pet people up front  that ( this pup is not a good canidate for pet. here are the puppies that will fit your needs. If a working home comes to look here is the litter of pups this pup has better drives , grip, more outgoing, exc...  this pup would make a better pet at this time , maybe turn out to be great working dog.... but at this point is more pet.

Here is a pup that is my 1st or 2nd pick as a working prospect...

I will not sell my high working prospect as a pet because i dont want a pet owner to have a dog that does not fit there home and i dont want them to have to bring a dog back because i sold them a working dog who needs a job.... If a breeder does not want to help you get the best pup to fit your needs take go somewhere elce.

Malinda

Re: Pick Puppy

The simple fact is "Pick" may not be pick at 16weeks/ 12 months / 2years etc. 

Re: Dagen

The remaining three pupps out of my litter are well taken care of and im in no rush. 

Chris Orkies / chris.orkies@gmail.com

P.S Please dont dirty up a good thread by talking about my stuff.  This is a good post and could be very educational.  Lets not forget everyone has an opinion/definition of words associated with working prospects. 

 malinda, black collar,right? We have to be talking about the same pup I think. I don't remember the color of the dog. I remember my picks were black then red collar. Is that stinker still for sale? Darn, I'd like to have that pup. 

 Why am I asking? I have two very nice showline males  12 month old males I have to sell that I held back from a nice litter I had.  I don't have room for a male puppy right now but that boy-he's nice, very nice, just my type. Of course if he's still for sale I could build a new kennel or put a new wing on the house to make room for him.

 Chris are we talking about the black collar puppy?

im pretty sure he is talking about the solid black male puppy.

john