German Shepherd Dog > I do not know whether to Laugh or BE Serious!! (23 replies)
I do not know whether to Laugh or BE Serious!!
by yellowrose of Texas on 18 April 2012 - 23:13
The owner of a young male german shepherd emailed me yesterday and ask me about her limping dog.
She took him in to vet , as he hit the table leg in living room and had limped ever since.
Vet immediately said it was his knee popping in and out..
Vet took exrays and left hip of dog is HD , very much so, and the other hip is not too good either.
Vet said the dog needs surgery and needs to be neutered also.
Gave the patient glucosamine and some vitamins and an injection of Steroid. This question has nothing to do with his HIPS being dysplastic or bad...That decision will be made later., whether to operate or let him be normal like so many of our dogs are. This is a pet with no registration so no breeding and no planned training in sport or activities. Just regular exercise and I can handle all that info fine..but the other has me Grasping.....for why, and what?
I immediately ask WHY neuter a dog you have no intention of breeding nor is not sick?
THIS IS WHAT THE VET TOLD HER:
She said the reason to neuter him was because his balls hang low and his anus is protruding, whatever that means. I wanted to know what you thought. She put him on vitamins and give me some pain pills if he acted like he was in pain. But he has never acted like that. He just acts like something catches and he goes down for a few minutes and then acts like nothing happened. She said it's his knee joint popping out of place then it goes back in. She also put him on glucosamine for his joints!
In all my born days , I have never...heard of such..MY vet is closed but you bet your bottom dollar I will ask Dr. Alexander tomorrow what in the world...THE Lady vet gave no other reason or explanation.
I already gave my opinion on what to do...I post this to ask
Has anyone ever been told this or what does it mean..DUH...I have raised males for years that do not have cancer nor got cancer from not being neutered in anyway..GOD put it there and unless it is diseased or cancerous now....LEAVE IT!!
BUT when she emailed me back this reason I still have my mouth open?? I must have missed some education or something else is wrong with this dog.????
by brynjulf on 19 April 2012 - 01:05
|O my had no idea that dangling balls had anything to do with HD. Do you think they were so heavy that they pulled his hip sockets out? Better check my hubby's hips, it's warm out today, there might be ramifications.|
by Jenni78 on 19 April 2012 - 01:17
|Do your balls hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie them in a knot? Can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw them o'er your shoulder like a Continental soldier? Do your balls hang low?|
by zdog on 19 April 2012 - 01:24
|why yes, yes they do. Hell if my anus is protruding though.|
by Ramage on 19 April 2012 - 01:29
|Thanks, I needed a laugh LOL|
by yellowrose of Texas on 19 April 2012 - 02:06
| I am 68yrs old and been in dogs 36 years and I have never had a diagnosis of any animal or human make me laugh so long and hard...|
I told the lady who emailed me I was posting it ..
I have TO ADD this to my long pages of other ridiculous diagnosis' I have heard of now.
My mind was blown..with this one...
My solution may be ...DO they make BLUE PILLS for male dogs?
Maybe with this description this male needs a 6 month supply of VIAGRA!
MAKES ABOUT AS MUCH SENSE AS THE reason this lady vet gave for neutering this male dog..
by Conspicuous on 19 April 2012 - 11:23
|I'm confused...isn't it a GOOD idea to neuter a dog who should not be used for breeding? |
by zdog on 19 April 2012 - 12:17
|i'f you're not going to breed a dog, don't breed it or neuter it and don't breed it, I don't really care.|
But the reason as to why shouldn't confuse anyone, that was fucking hilarious and strange to say the least. I'm half hoping and half glad there weren't pictures associated with this thread. Neuter because the balls are too big and the anus protrudes, who comes up with that?
by Conspicuous on 19 April 2012 - 12:26
|Oh I agree, that vet sounds strange. I guess I just think if the dog isn't for breeding it should be fixed so there is no chance of an accidental breeding is all.|
Anyway, best of luck to the owner, and dog...and it's affliction. LOL
by Jenni78 on 19 April 2012 - 12:48
|I don't see where the dog is broken, so what needs "fixing"? ;-)|
Oh, I just love the cute names people come up with for whacking off and/or digging out entire reproductive systems in animals whose best interests we are supposed to be looking out for.
Now, zdog, maybe you could get a sling? I mean, as you age, that will get less and less attractive. Think chin strap or sports bra theory.
by Sunsilver on 19 April 2012 - 12:58
|Jenni, I think I read this in a book by former race track columnist Jim Coleman, who wrote for the Toronto Star for many years.|
A certain colt had gonads that hung unusually low. The trainer thought he was afraid to really extend himself at the gallop, because the organs bounced around so much, and hit his thighs.
So, he rigged up a little leather bag to support the testicles, and tied it around the horse's body just in front of the hind legs!
From what Jim reported, the colt's performance improved!
The name of the book was Hoofprints on My Heart. I forget what the colt's name was.
by Conspicuous on 19 April 2012 - 13:35
I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but he does sound a little broken to me actually and like a very good candidate for neutering IMHO, but then again, you guys know better than I do.
Having said that, if I were his owner, I'd probably want a second opinion from another vet.
Unneutered male dogs are more suceptible to perianal hernias, perhaps this is what the vet saw?
Best of luck to his owner, hope they can get him feeling better soon!
by joanro on 19 April 2012 - 13:44
|Tears of laughter!!! brynjulf and Jenni , your hilarious !!!|
by Blitzen on 19 April 2012 - 14:20
|Sounds like this vet needs a refresher course on the canine reproductive system. I'd never take my dog back there again.|
by mollyandjack on 19 April 2012 - 14:25
|Thanks, Jen. Now I'm going to be singing that all day. In a library. :p|
by yellowrose of Texas on 20 April 2012 - 02:30
| THE medical claims to susceptible to hernias, cancer and all other kinds on nonsense is just that.|
Vets write these medical stats and they are all swaying people to do things not needed.
I have raised cocker spaniels and german shepherds and have several mentors in this breed also who none of us ever have neutered nor spayed our dogs.
To keep a dog from getting prego is no reason...If you cannot provide the proper environment to keep all your animals in safe health do not start the process. DO NOT BECOME A BREEDER.
IT IS BULL crap. All the males I have produced and kept and owned have never had one health problem until they were old and gray.
Organinzations push neutering and spaying and the neglect by humans who are lazy and do not know how to build kennels or have special provisions for females in heat , need to rethink things..
Spaying and neutering usually tailspins the dogs into too fat, overweight and lots of medical problems in several years..Harmones and testosterone were put in your body and animals body for a reason..
Crappy dogs who have aggression and kill others and are not able to live in families or present problems are problems from breeding incorrectly.
I get sick every time I hear the stories that a vet told me I need to spay my male to keep him home..
All us wives better spay our husbands as that is why they keep leaving every morning and come home late for supper....my goodness.
MY vet said same thing someone here wrote...that vet is not very smart about Patient/dr.relationship nor communcato...
He could not believe a vet told her that either..Has nothing to do with the hips.. You do not need to neuter a male to keep him from being bred....that is why we have doors on cages, locks on gates and kennels , and I do not know of any of my breeder friends or customers who let their dogs run up and down the street day or night.....so that blows that out of the water.. IT has been shoved down Americans throats that neuter and spay is the way to take care of your pet...HOG WASH
by Lennard on 20 April 2012 - 07:45
|Surely the answer is DOLLARS or POUNDS!!|
It makes more money for the Vet
by Nellie on 20 April 2012 - 11:52
|Have to agree it's Money in the vets pocket, unless their is a medical reason i have not had mine Neutered or spayed, at pressent i have a bitch in season and the male and her are just kept seperated at the crutial time. No clear evidence that haveing no balls make it less likley to get Cancer if you have the gene then you have the gene|
Did have a laugh thou, so did hubby when i told him
by Conspicuous on 20 April 2012 - 12:57
|First off - I truly hope none of you take it personally when I get into an open debate with you, I also try not to get offended if someone disagrees with me. We animal lovers are passionate people, and we all have things we believe in very strongly, so please don't ever take what may seem like criticism to heart. I have sometimes seen something from another perspective that I might not have considered before, and that is all part of educating oneself and growing. I try to be objective and open minded, although when something feels wrong in my heart, I admit, I can be pretty stubborn.|
So having said that - I think that is unfair to say YR, considering the number of animals euthed in shelters every year. I know you will not agree with me, but I think that is a bit backwards, especially since you're a breeder. I'm all for well bred, healthy animals being bred with careful planning. And of course if you're a breeder, the animals are left entire and you have the set up for that type of thing. But that's why we leave breeding to the pros.
I think for the general public and average dog, spaying/neutering is a very wise & responsible choice. Even the most conscientious of pet owners can have a pet get loose on them, they slip out the door when you open it, run after a squirrel etc. It does not mean we let our dogs run up and down the street all night, come on! You are being overdramatic. I am completely anal about things being locked up and clean in the barn with my horses. And even still, at 6:00am Tuesday morning I came out to find our mare loose in the barn. She was completely fine, although she'd had a party and trashed the place. The stall door got caught and didn't latch properly and the person doing the night feed didn't realize it. Thankfully the feed room WAS secure, so no harm was done. But the point is, it can so easily happen, even to the most responsible of people.
There are pros and cons to spaying/neutering. Generally for someone who's interested in only having a pet, and not at all interested in breeding, a spayed/netured animal can be a happier/easier pet. Not all of us want to keep our pets kennelled/separated when one or the other come in season. If more people had their pets fixed, I'm sure we wouldn't be euthanizing thousands upon thousands of animals in shelters every year.
I am very much pro-"fixing" unless you have an animal worthy of breeding. There are also lots of health problems that can result in leaving them entire, so spaying/neutiring can reduce some of those risks as well.
I'm completely shocked and saddened that anyone here, even if it's not your personal preference, would object to it - especially with an animal who should not ever be used for breeding.
Certainly there are some vets out there who are crooks, I just left one. But not all are, and I think oftentimes spaying/neutering is actually very sound advice.
And I'm not sure (at least based on your post) that the vet in question was saying neutering would help with the hips. Obviously it won't, but I think they were saying it might have something to do with the "protruding anus". Not saying every unneutered male will end up with a perianal hernia it's probably not very common at all - but most of the dogs who do have it ARE unneutered males. I would advise this person to get a second opinion if they are not comfortable with the first vets diagnosis - they are certainly entitled to getting a second opinon from another vet. It's what I ended up doing with my cat, resulting in the firing of vet #1. And no, the digestive system has nothing to do with the reproductive system per se, but the plumbing does run very close to each other and can sometimes have a secondary effect on one or the other depending on the issue the animal is having - so it can't be entirely dismissed either.
Just my $0.02, for what they're worth - not much obviously, seeing as I seem to be the only one who is of this opinion. But it's one I believe in, so I guess feel I have to say it. :)
by jc.carroll on 20 April 2012 - 13:18
|I am a staunch supporter of spaying/neutering any animal not intended for breeding. Grew up with altered pets. Always had my pets altered. Never had any issues from it, in any species. No obesity, incontinence, psychological suffering, or any other of the horrible things that supposedly come along with spay/neutering.
In my -opinion- spaying is best before the first estrus cycle, because the structure of the uterous is a bit more arduous to remove after (more fibrous); and neutering is best done after the male is 2yrs old to reach structural maturity.
Most of my housedogs over the years have been from shelters and rescues. There are so many, and they're nearly always from unplanned litters that get dumped.
That being said "balls hanging too low" and causing anal prolapse? That's a new one! I thought I'd heard all the BS reasons, hehe.