German Shepherd Dog > Puppy seems to be losing movement in rear and now front (55 replies)
by yellowrose of Texas on 08 January 2012 - 03:45
I have always put garlic in my dogs food for years even though some people have posted that garlic is dangerous for dogs..IF it was my dogs would all be dead and wonder why I have very healthy dogs with no vet bills.???
I use some of these herbs my self and have always used no chlorine in water...bottled or well water
by Betta Wolf on 08 January 2012 - 03:46
I thought Milk Thistle, but did not want to say for sure.
by GSD MAN on 08 January 2012 - 03:46
|Betta Wolf, Do you not vaccinate your dogs?|
by hexe on 08 January 2012 - 04:38
|"those f.... Vaccines"|
Yeah....'cause those f..... diseases are SOOOOOO much less harmful to the dogs.
JerryLee, first thing I'd consider would be tick paralysis. The progression of weakness from rear to front, along with the fact that the pup has remained bright and alert and eating well, fit the course of tick paralysis to a T.
by 1GSD1 on 08 January 2012 - 11:51
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2012 - 14:48
|My 2 guesses would be ticks or vaccinosis due to some kind of neurological swelling....rabies vac. likely. I have seen several cases of strange symptoms like this from vaccines, especially combos. Dogs have recovered to a degree when treatment was started early.|
I can't fathom for the life of me, why anyone would still give those cocktails with all that is known. Granted, vets don't publicize it, but they know it. You MUST question everything, unfortunately. It really angers me that when people request single shots, the vets hem and haw and say they can't get them. LIE. They don't feel like getting them. They would rather give a 5 or 7 in one and charge 400% markup. Do your own research and seriously think about your dogs' risk vs. the benefits of a given vaccine and if you choose to vaccinate, do so as an informed consumer, not a blind sheep.
In a vet's own words: http://petresource.com/Articles%20of%20Interest/texas_vet.htm
MG, particularly acquired MG, is a possibility also due to timeline and vaccination. Acquired MG is more common in GSDs than congenital, so the stresses of the shots may have been the trigger, as it's an auto-immune disease. Again, this falls under neurological, and if it were my pup, I would definitely be making a neurologist appt.
by Blitzen on 08 January 2012 - 16:14
|Boy, I don't know. I'm not big on overvaccinating either, but if there are no ticks on this puppy, I'd be concerned that there is some sort of neurological or metabolic problem playing out here. Diagnosing and treating this pup may be beyond the realm of expertise for a GP vet. You might have to look for a specialist or a vet school. Puppies go down hill pretty fast, I would consider this an emergency situtation. Good luck.|
Some vets, inclucing the one I use, still tout annual vacs. It behooves all breeders to educate themselves and their buyers in the potential danger of too many vacs. Odds are that annual vacs are probably safe for the vast majority or dogs. However, I opt to err on the side of caution and follow Jean Dodds' protocol so I just say no. I've already had one GSD I suspect died young from too many rabies vacs and I'd rather not have another.
by Krazy Bout K9s on 08 January 2012 - 16:28
|I lost one of my rescues to a Rabies shot, dead within 2 weeks, drug company paid for all the testing, but of course would not admit fault. Neurological problems started after she stopped eating, the day she got the shot, the vet gave her the shot without my permission also, since I do not vaccinate my own dogs for rabies after 6 yrs old anyhow. She was one I was keeping...so sad, RIP sweet Reese..|
NEVER AGAIN FOR MY PERSONAL DOGS.... have to for the rescues....BTW: I DON'T GO TO THAT VET ANYMORE....!!!
Reese is the blk/silver on the right of the green ball in my avatar!!
by Blitzen on 08 January 2012 - 17:09
|We can't get away with not vaccinating for rabies here in Hillsborough Cty FL, every 3 years for life or no renewal on the license. Every year we get a form to fill out for every dog registered. If the rabies is still valid, we need to provide proof. If it's expired or there is no proof, then take the card to the vet, have a booster and have the vet submit the proof to the county with the fee. If the dog died you have to check that box and return the card. This is like the Hotel California, you can check in, but you can never check out. Once your dog is in the system and as long as you own it and live in this county, you will vaccinate every 3 years (or every year according to which vial the vet choose to use) or else. A vet can write an exemption for a dog that should not have anymore vacs, but vets here aren't so quick to do that unless the dog is on life support. Stinks, doesn't it?|
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2012 - 17:11
|According to the county, my dogs die as fast as I get them. LOL|
by GSD MAN on 08 January 2012 - 17:52
|Jenni78, I like your idea the best: According to the county, my dogs die as fast as I get them.|
So, none of you believe in any vaccinations? Not even the first tier puppy shots? What do you do with rabies vaccination, do you get it once every 3 years?
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2012 - 18:18
|What's a tad disturbing is that no one has ever once checked up on this. That doesn't raise any red flags that my dogs all die one year after licensing? Cats too? |
I do rabies every 3(ish....) years and none after age 6-7.
by Blitzen on 08 January 2012 - 18:47
|In this county you wouldn't get away with claiming multiple dogs died if they didn't. The county makes random visits and the vets have to report any dogs they suspect are not vaccinated when seen in their clinics. If your dog isn't vaccinated they have the option to confiscate it and if it bites or even scratches someone and not UTD on rabies, the dog is as good as dead. If I have to board a dog, no area kennel will take her without every vac known to man and some trials and shows here can require proof of vacs. Yes, I keep rabies UTD, but don't do much else after the first series and the annual booster unless forced into it which does happen sometimes.|
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2012 - 18:59
|Ugh. What country is this again?|
I forgo lots of activities because of vaccines. I refuse to jeopardize my dogs' health because I'd like to do _____________ activity with them. <shrug> Until some more enlightenment occurs, that's the way it has to be.
by workingdogz on 08 January 2012 - 19:00
|Totally off the topic of the OP, but this vaccination issue is kind of eye opening.|
First, are your dogs really THAT fragile that you cannot vaccinate for Rabies every 3years?
Maybe these "superior dogs" should not be bred then?
Seriously, some of you people take this to the extreme.
For those that choose to thumb their nose at the law and make light of that, keep in mind the DEATH SENTENCE you set your dog up for if it nips, scratches or even bumps someone.
If John Q Public wants to push the issue, you will/can be held responsible for him if he even falls because your dog scared him and he turned to run and fell.
Never say never either, cause even the "perfect people" have "accidents".
No, we don't vaccinate for DHLpp etc every year, but we do Rabies every 3 years as required by law.
We also license our dogs yearly as required. Since our oldest dog is over 10, we will be asking the vet for a waiver after the last rabies vaccine "expires" if the old boy is still around (hopefully!) in 3 years time.
It's a lot less hassle to just be honest than it is to lie and be dishonest.
It also speaks to ones integrity or lack thereof if these are just samples of the kinds of things they will do when "no one is looking".
We don't board our dogs, so kennel cough etc is not a vaccine we choose to do,
but we sure don't believe it would kill one of our dogs to vaccinate for it if needed.
Seriously, some of you people get a little carried away with this vaccine related stuff.
Same as feeding raw etc. Sure, we feed raw too, we also feed good quality kibble.
Guess what? dogs that eat raw still die of cancer etc too.
To the OP, I hope you find out whats wrong with your puppy.
Yes ma'am, it is the same where we live.
"Random" sweeps are done, and if you have dogs barking, dog crap in your yard etc, they are going to get YOU.
Fear not, they will ask neighbors too!
Those fines rack up fast too! Intact dogs with no license, no current rabies?
About $150.00 per dog per day here until you are in compliance.
It's becoming common knowledge to cities and counties etc everywhere to go a'knocking,
this is a new lucrative form of income for them.
by Jenni78 on 08 January 2012 - 19:18
|A good point to remind the vets (and everyone else who "requires" them) is that RABIES IS THE ONLY VACCINE REQUIRED BY LAW.|
What scares me is how "fine" people are with haphazardly jeopardizing their dogs' health because it's "a lot less hassle".
Call me a perfectionist. I don't think "okay" or "fine" is ever good enough for them. It has nothing to do with being "fragile." Why NOT give them the best shot at truly OPTIMAL health, not just "fine health"? Isn't that what we, their guardians, are supposed to do? My commitment is to my DOGS, not the vet, not the boarding kennel, not the SAR or SchH club. My dogs are my responsibility; I will not put them in harm's way to avoid a "hassle."
by Betta Wolf on 08 January 2012 - 19:20
County where I live has no ordinance.
by Blitzen on 08 January 2012 - 19:23
|Well then you'd better stay where you are, Betta Wolf, especially if you live in FL which is quickly becoming the second land of fruits and nuts.|
by Betta Wolf on 08 January 2012 - 19:27
Lol, I don't live in FL, note the snow in avatar!!
by workingdogz on 08 January 2012 - 19:35
"A good point to remind the vets (and everyone else who "requires" them) is that RABIES IS THE ONLY VACCINE REQUIRED BY LAW.
What scares me is how "fine" people are with haphazardly jeopardizing their dogs' health because it's "a lot less hassle".
Call me a perfectionist. I don't think "okay" or "fine" is ever good enough for them. It has nothing to do with being "fragile." Why NOT give them the best shot at truly OPTIMAL health, not just "fine health"? Isn't that what we, their guardians, are supposed to do? My commitment is to my DOGS, not the vet, not the boarding kennel, not the SAR or SchH club. My dogs are my responsibility; I will not put them in harm's way to avoid a "hassle." "
Optimal health? seriously? a Rabies vaccine is going to do that much damage?
How about if someone gets scratched/bit/nipped etc by you unvaccinated/unlicensed dog? Are you aware of the ramifications?
It's about REALITY not just your precious dogs "optimal health". Come on.
Do you think a 7yr old kid should have to undergo rabies treatment in the event your dog knocked the kid down?
Remember, you have a child right? Said childs friends will eventually come over. Little Susie or Billie falls and says "Fluffy bit me", well, it's ON.
Absolutley the only vaccine required by law in most States/counties/cities etc is Rabies, and thats what we do.
However, YOU just admitted that you don't license nor vaccinate your dogs. Not wise. All in the name of "optimal health"? please.
Quote: "According to the county, my dogs die as fast as I get them. LOL"
How long do you suppose you can get your unvaccinated dog to live? Longer than 14ish? Seriously.
As far as not putting them in "harms way" I guess that works if you never take your dogs from your own back yard.
Remember though, there is a BIG world outside your fence. And god forbid anything happen to you etc where you cannot care for your dogs?
No record of vaccines, especially Rabies, no license etc? Not a pretty picture for Fluffy.
Enough debating this with you, you are afterall very perfect and don't need to vaccinate or do anything else with your dogs, because they too are very perfect.
Good luck, and keep your fingers crossed that AC doesn't find an ad you have placed somewhere for puppies/dogs for sale and come knocking, cause they do that too! Or a pissed off neighbor etc calls on you etc etc.
If rabies is that detrimental to your dogs health, well, I feel bad for your dog.
To the OP, I don't know that I would permit a puppy to be vaccinated that young for rabies, especially combining with other vaccines. However, it depends on what your State/county/city etc law requires too. Our city says by 6mos of age, but unless you READ the bylaws and know this, when you ask them, they tell you, at the same time they get their last series of boosters. Big difference between 4 mos and 6mos.
I do hope your pup turns out ok.