German Shepherd Dog > mild hip dysplasia (20 replies)
mild hip dysplasia
by Gilgarmor on 17 December 2011 - 21:00
|one of my females was diacnost with Mild Hip Dysplasia radiographic evidence of minor dysplastic changes of the hip joint on the right leg. my question is i can still breed this female? i feel like i dont but i just wanna see what you guys think? thasnks for all your coments|
by cookiedam on 17 December 2011 - 21:45
|I think you already know what people are gonna say. Its a genetic thing why pass the gene.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 17 December 2011 - 22:10
No but NO NO breeding any dog with mild hip dyslpasia
The reason for xraying is to stop breedings of dogs that have it .
We know in our backgrounds there are a lot who never paid any attention to the xray decisions and this is why it is so hard to fathom anyone doing it KNOWING the hips are bad
Many years of bad decisions still pop up for all of us, becasue someone DID breed a dog or two with hips that were mild or worse.
by dogshome9 on 17 December 2011 - 22:36
|First of all who made the diagnosis of HD was it your regular vet or was the xray sent to a specialist for evaluation.|
Just to make a long story short >>>
A puppy I sold at 8 months old she was hip xrayed 2 weeks later and the buyers vet diagnosed Hip Dysplasia and they had her euthanized I later was able to obtain a photo of the xray and has it evaluated by a specialist and she had excellent hips with a score of 2 : 4.
So please have the xray evaluated by a qualified radiologist.
by Rass on 17 December 2011 - 23:26
|1.) Mild hip dysplasia means a dog should not be bred. How old is the dog? If these are prelims, have it done again at age 2 years old. Get second and third opinions. Repeat the Xrays if the positioning is off. IOW's BE SURE. |
2.) Mild hip dysplasia, while meaning the dog should not be bred does not mean the dog cannot go on and be a good dog as a pet or even in some competition (Obedience, tracking and so forth).
I know of a few dogs with Mild HD that made top of the line dogs to own. Lots of things knock dogs out of the breeding arena.. from structural genetic issues (such as Hip Dysplasia) to temperament issues such as too soft, or lacking nerve or too little drive or even too much drive. Most dogs should NOT be bred for a LOT of reasons. Mild HD is just one of those reasons.
A dog that is not of quality for breeding (MOST ARE NOT IMO) can still be a darn fine dog.
by Nans gsd on 17 December 2011 - 23:28
by CMills on 17 December 2011 - 23:48
|On a lighter note, I've had 2 GSD's that I had PenHip'ed at 16-18 months old, and they had terrible scores, and the vet's said to put them in pet homes, which I did. These 2 dogs were totally unrelated, BTW. Then when both dogs were over 2 yrs old, they BOTH passed OFA with Good ratings. So who in the heck are we supposed to believe, OFA or Penhip?|
by Prager on 17 December 2011 - 23:58
I would not bred mild HD but here is food for thought.
Show us the x ray.
Who diagnosed it?
Was the dog properly positioned?
Was the film clear?
How old is the dog?
Under what system / scale was this determined?
and maybe :
Was the dog injured on the questionable leg?
Oh yes and do you realize that noch zugelssen 2/2 and such is OFA mild HD and many breed it? Is that OK?
Before I have these info and answers, I can not give you an answer.
by amysavesjacks on 18 December 2011 - 02:26
|ALSO.. IF THIS IS A FEMALE... was she in heat/or near coming into heat when the rads were taken? The pelvis can subluxate during this time and make changes in the xray findings. I had a dog OFA'd with Fair (because I took the xrays when she was just coming into season). We re-took them 3 months later and she was GOOD.|
by Olga Ashley on 18 December 2011 - 02:46
If the dog has mild HD, then absolutley not.....BUT.....
by Gilgarmor on 18 December 2011 - 19:20
|my female came on heat 1 week ago and the xrays was takend 3 weeks ago she is 2 yearts old (29/octuber) OFA read the x rays http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=647298 this is the link to the pedigree good hips all around Note (the black point over the top os socket is dirt on my computer screen i will xray again with diferen ver and see if is any diference on x ray i guess i have to wait till she get out of heat?|
by Prager on 18 December 2011 - 23:41
The hips are well in the coket the Right better then Left one. Left soket ( acetabulum) has bigger daimeter then femoral head. I'd say OFA good-fair on the left hip.
The right hip ( on the left side of the x ray) seems to have malformed the femoral head. It is hard to see it from this size of a picture. But if what I think I see is correct then I would not breed this dog. On the other hand this dog will never have a problem to get aroung bbacause of the hips.
My evaluation of the Right hip is worse then Left.
OFA borderline -mild.
Try to love her as mych as she loves you and do not worry about it.
But do not breed.
Just my advice.
by frankm205 on 19 December 2011 - 00:42
|I don't think you would get an OFA fair. Funny thing is I have seen police K9 with worse hip than these have a good career.|
Personally I wouldn't breed her, but I think she will be fine and shouldn't have a problem having a normal life.
by Prager on 19 December 2011 - 01:03
Left is fair, right is border - mild HD.
No she will not have problem related to this hip for most if not all life.
by Siantha on 19 December 2011 - 04:49
|but just remember just because the dog is mild or borderline they can still work even you just have to be aware of signs of pain we had a shepherd a long time ago that was borderline and never had issues at all but why breed it. it is a plague of shepherds and it is geneticly transfered any breedings should be to better the breed not because you like the dog. so if you are trying to better the breed why breed a dog who is mild or displasic only good and up.|
by Prager on 19 December 2011 - 16:46
| Here I would like to stress that bad hips are not a death warrant and that the bad hips are rarely cause of problems under 8 years of age.|
To my mind always come a S&R dog Samson who had the worse type of HD you can imagine and he was performing as a S&R dog running through chest deep snow up and down the mountains of Wyoming all day long. Please keep in mind that if the dog has "hips" problem walking then it is probably something else.
Pano in young dogs injury in older dogs and spine problem too, arthritis in 4+ old years dogs ( maybe) but usually around 8 years or older.
It drive me crazy to see dogs being put down at 6 mo because they have "crippling HD" . There is no such thing at that age!!!
by lzaichenko on 19 December 2011 - 21:32
|The right hip definitely looks like it has remodeling at the femoral head/acetabulum.|
When in doubt, repeat radiographs in 6 months, 2 months before/after estrus. A heat cycle will affect joint laxity but arthritic changes in the bones will be there no matter what.
If the dog is dysplastic to any degree it should absolutely not be bred. Enjoy her for whatever purposes or activities you participate in but do not breed.
by Gustav on 19 December 2011 - 23:48
|What are NZ hips? I ask because I see German dogs in great pedigrees and from top breeders with dogs with NZ hips in the pedigree.|
by Caisleanrioga Athur on 21 December 2011 - 00:41
|Hi i just got back my results for my 2 & Half year old German Shepherd back [ Normal ED / schwere HD; from S.V.|
in Germany i am as you can imagine very disapointed.All my dog breeding are top world Champions Show/ but my
dog is doing SchH sport. His titles to date as follows; BH/ SchH 1/ AD/ Show Review ( G );Any body who loves there
dog will take them as they are they do not change because of a Xray. I hope i have many- many long years with
my beloved dog. & no i will not Breed him. Rgds Barry
by Prager on 21 December 2011 - 23:56
|Gustav NZ = Noch zugelassen? Just a guess.|