German Shepherd Dog > My dog has developed a bad (and lazy) habit! (18 replies)
My dog has developed a bad (and lazy) habit!
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 17:29
Im sure this is my fault, but I would like to know where I went wrong and how to fix it!
Ok, I do alot of jumping exercises with Cam and lately he has learned a bad habit where he will run up to the jump and stop, turn around, and come back to me. So frustrating! Sometimes he will even jump and put all 4 paws on the wall (or fence) and leap back off. I have never rewarded him for doing this, but I also never really corrected him for it either. Except verbal corrections, which seem to make the problem worse. I have never asked him to jump anything that I dont think he can, and he has alot of trust in me. Before pushing the issue I wanted to see if I could get some ideas on how to fix it from you guys!
Im working on finding some video!
by Red Sable on 06 November 2011 - 17:40
|Great question Kelly, I've had that happen too, not with jumping but with other tricks, they just seem to tire of. I am looking forward to seeing what others say.|
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 17:53
Here is one video. He had already jumped this fence one time, so he knew he could do it...
by EuroShepherd on 06 November 2011 - 18:08
|Looks to me like he doesn't have enough space for a running start. He refuses the jump because he was too close to the fence and unprepared (so saving himself from being injured) and when he did jump and put his paws on the top of the fence, again, it's because of the height of the fence and him being too close he is not capable of safely clearing it without placing his paws on top to prevent his back legs from hitting.|
That fence looks like it's 4 ft tall. Most dogs, even those that are taller than your boy, are not in good enough physical condition to clear a 4 ft jump without touching it. And even dogs who do have the body condition to clear 4 ft easily without touching still prefer to do it like your boy.
Also, be careful of letting him jump a chainlink fence, many dogs have broken toes and legs or worse when trying to jump a chainlink. They snag a toe in a link at the top and severely injure themselves.
by Two Moons on 06 November 2011 - 18:25
a chain link fence is not a good, or safe jump.
The dog can injure itself easily.
by Kaffirdog on 06 November 2011 - 18:25
|He's looking at the ball instead of the fence so doesn't focus on the fence in time to jump it. You need to set him up properly for the jump before sending him.|
by Slamdunc on 06 November 2011 - 18:33
|I agree with Euroshepherd. |
You have done too many jumping exercises with your dog and if you want precision and style then it's quality not quantity. I also agree that jumping 4' chain link fences can be dangerous, your dog can hit his leg or break a toe. If you want your dog to jump a certain way like with his hind legs stretched or hind legs tucked you can train that. You can design jumps out of PVC that will cause your dog to avoid hitting the jump. That is training. I watched the video and you did not give the dog enough room to clear the fence. The first time the dog balked at jumping something you needed to address it then. I think at some point you made him jump something he wasn't comfortable with or may have even hurt himself and you may not have known it. He may have a negative association with jumping certain obstacles from one of those experiences. I would go back to the beginning and teach him how you want him to jump over lower jumps gradually increasing the height over time. I would set it up so he had to jump and couldn't avoid the jump.
I think you also need to be clear in your mind and communicate to the dog exactly what you expect when he is commanded to jump. If you are doing a sport like SchH or agility he needs to clear the jump cleanly. If you are just out having fun with your dog, then does it really matter if he touches the obstacle?
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 18:36
Thank you. He doesnt jump chain link too often, but it is definitely something I want him to be familiar with. Although he isnt a police dog and never will be, I like to base most of his training towards police style work. Thats why I want him to be familiar with 4ft chain link fences.
He does prefer to use his feet when jumping, but im am certain he could clear it without. When we use hurdles he knows to not use his feet or it will fall. Smart Dog! LOL
I understand I was close to the fence in this particular video, but most of the time I give him more room, and he still does this. Even on his wall, which he is absolutely familiar with, and has jumped hundreds of times!
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 18:39
Thanks for all the quick replies! Great advice...Thanks!
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 18:50
I probably shouldnt have used this video as an example. It was just the only one I can find that he stopped at the jump. Usually, I set him up properly and give him plenty of room. Most of the time he will jump when I ask, but sometimes he will stop.
Jim, you said I should have addressed it when he didnt jump. What is the best way to correct him? Do you think its too late to correct him now?
by Red Sable on 06 November 2011 - 19:00
|He did a great job of scaling that two meter wall! Nice dog!|
by Quest55 on 06 November 2011 - 19:41
Is it possible he could have an injury or be in pain and that is the reason he wont jump?
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 19:41
I was outside setting up the old hurdles that I used when I first started training him to jump. He ran and jumped over one without me even asking LOL! And then he sits on the other side looking at me. I started laughing at him and said "come here you wacko!", and he leaps back over the hurdle and sits at my side.
Im pretty sure he thinks im crazy!
by Slamdunc on 06 November 2011 - 20:15
Police dogs are not judged on points when they scale fences. There are times when I need to jump fences with my dog at work. If Boomer puts his feet on the fence I don't care as long as he clears it safely and quickly.
I wouldn't correct him but I would be prepared to ensure that he goes over the jump and not around it or avoid it. If it were me; I would go back to having him on lead and running up to the jump with him. I would either throw his toy over the jump or reward him after the jump, it would depend on the situation. I would praise the daylights out of him when he was correct. I would make him think he was the greatest dog in the world for jumping correctly.
If I were you I would think back to when this first started and see if you can recall the exact event. I would go back to easy jumps and toss him toy over and build him back up. I know that your dog enjoys jumping and is very athletic. I would go back to making this really fun and remember; less is often more. I would also avoid the "one more time syndrome." If he does it well, praise, play and end it. Just take a step back and ensure that you are able to make him jump and make it easy and fun. If he avoids the jump I would with hold his reward and use a negative marker and make him repeat it. However, I wouldn't put him in a situation where he could avoid the jump for a very long time. I would instill perfect performance by getting the dog motivated and insuring he can not go around or avoid the jump every time.
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 20:47
Thank you Jim!
by Stumpywop on 06 November 2011 - 22:15
|I don't really have anything useful to add that others haven't already said, but one of the first things I learned in training dogs was that you should always set them up to succeed.|
If by giving him more space sohe can get a running start means he has more of an opportunity to clear the fence completely, then I would stop him from jumping the fence at all unless he has the space to take a run at it first.
Also, if you want him to be familiar with the chain link fences to jump over then to prevent injury maybe it's worth wrapping some pipe insulation (or something similar) over/around the top of it. this way when he touches it with his paws/feet if he is a little bit too clse there's less chance of the potential forhim to get hurt.
by destiny4u on 06 November 2011 - 22:39
|just curious where is your dog from? Wow at his cat like agility like a panther lol|
by dogshome9 on 06 November 2011 - 22:41
|I agree with stumpywop, You should never set your dog up to fail and I believe that is what you did in the video, you were too close and he was not set up to jump that fence, also you had the ball why didn't you toss it for him? The whole exercise would have gone much better.|
by KellyJ on 06 November 2011 - 23:15
I did toss him the ball. The video cut off before. The reason I wait for him to turn around before I throw the ball is because I dont want him in the habit of jumping a fence and then darting off looking for a ball. I like for him to turn around and focus on me for the reward or another command.