German Shepherd Dog > GSDs in the German Press (56 replies)
GSDs in the German Press
by Silbersee on 28 October 2011 - 16:11
|There has been an outcry in the German (and International) Press since the NRW Police supposedly said that its force replaced the GSD with the Malinois. Supposedly, because it was taken out of context and a correction was released - see SV homepage.|
Apparantly, this retraction never reached one of its originating magazines, the Spiegel. Now, the Spiegel is one of Germany's most influental and important political magazines and the views are usually fairly in the middle.
However, what they published today online really tops the cake.
A quick summary: The GSD is described as "Dick und Doof" (which is a reference to an ancient Black and White Comedy Series in Germany), Fat and Stupid! Wayne Curry (!!!!!) is described as a self-proclaimed savior of the GSD by storing semen of some of his famous dogs in a semen bank. He can bring back the old type by using his material. He calls the Malinois a "disposable dog" (Wegwerfhund),and the Rottweiler would run if given a chance. In addition, he is quoted in saying "that he is no pimp and that he would never offer his dogs to the highest bidder". Curry has a dog (a black beast) named "Oruger", affectionately called "Rudy" who is trained by his partner Anthony Akers. Akers is supposed to turn him (the black beast) into a sharpened fighting machine.
What an article! It also mentions Hitler's taste for his female "Blondie" and that he killed her a day before taking his own life. She wore a collar with the imprint "Immer mit Dir" (forever with you). It goes on to make it sound that over 50% of the GSDs must have HD with the sloping backline!
This article really tops the list of "intellectual diarrhea". I nearly spit out my coffee this morning reading it! Sorry for my vent and I will now visit the German discussion boards to see if there is an outrage about that already.
For anybody fluent in German, here is the link: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,794054,00.html
by Elkoorr on 28 October 2011 - 18:01
|Oh my, oh my! Read through the article. I never liked the "Spiegel" because of the "intellectual diarrhea" (that sure fits!..lol). Cant really believe half of whats written in there; they always like to set that certain flea into your ear...|
Badly written article in general... everything was just so mixed together that a clear point is missing. its Kraftwerk vs show vs Hitler vs work vs secrets learnt by wayne while drinking with the germans....
by Aqua on 28 October 2011 - 20:15
|Here is the link to the English translation:|
by kazulani on 28 October 2011 - 21:21
|We had something similar here a while ago in the Belgian press http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/2011/article/print/detail/1308309/Mechelse-herder-is-beste-politiehond.dhtml|
by Mystere on 28 October 2011 - 21:57
I was having a good day. Such a good day. Now, Der Spiegel has ruined it. Did Wayne hire a PR firm, or something??? Damn!!
by crhuerta on 28 October 2011 - 22:03
|AMAZING is the word that comes to mind......*well, right AFTER a few others..*|
by vonissk on 28 October 2011 - 22:07
|Thank you Aqua for the English link. All I can say is OMG.|
And if he is the GSD savior I expect my one way ticket to the moon to come right in.....................
by Slamdunc on 29 October 2011 - 01:00
|I don't know about the German Police but many departments in the US are switching to Belgian Malinois' and Dutch Shepherds. When I go to test and evaluate potential Police K-9's it is very hard to find suitable GSD's. The washout rate of GSD's to Malinois is much higher and the number of suitable GSD's available has greatly decreased. Vendors importing dogs in my area have been increasingly importing Malinois and DS and very few GSD's these days. I expect in the next 5 years or so I won't have any suitable GSD's to choose from at this rate. Unless of course wayne can really save the breed, I have my fingers crossed on that.|
I think Raiser's quote was great.
by Jantie on 03 November 2011 - 13:25
|Quote: "However, what they published today online really tops the cake...|
... This article really tops the list of "intellectual diarrhea". I nearly spit out my coffee this morning reading it!"
Maybe there's more to come in other magazines?
I would recommend not to drink coffee until you have read all of the magazines!
by TingiesandTails on 03 November 2011 - 16:12
|In my opinion the Spiegel has lost it's reputation a long time ago...I stopped reading it in the 90's because of increasing sensationalizm rather than well researched facts...|
by Prager on 06 November 2011 - 19:13
|What particularly and factually, you do not like about the article? Besides that Curry is promoting himself and the article is badly written.|
Factually the GSD is loosing to Malionois even so good GSD is multiple times better dog for any police work then malinois.
The operant word here is good. Most PDs do not want to pay for "good" GSD.
The problem for this is on more then one level. I call Malinois McDonalds dog. Quick to work but limited in abilities. That is another one reason why PDs are using Malis.
There are still many good GSDs available. And many PDs just do not know where to look or do not want to pay. ( Even so prices of Good GSDs are coming down due to the competition.) Most dealers buy crap GSDs in Europe and sell it to PDs here and that is the part of the problem. Such dogs do disappoint.
Any police officer who enjoys better type of dog can still get and always will be able to get good GSD.
by Prager on 06 November 2011 - 19:22
|Wayne is talking to German magazine . He does not need promotion in Germany. The only promotion he is getting is from people like you on forum like this one.|
Also what is wrong with him promoting himself? I do not necessarily agree with many things he does, but how he promotes himself is not one of them.
by Red Sable on 06 November 2011 - 19:29
|I'll be honest and say the article didn't offend me either. There is a lot of truth to what he says.|
by charlie319 on 07 November 2011 - 02:02
|From what I've seen, PD's using Malis have problems getting them to stand down after the arrest. As to why it is hard to find suitable GSD's, ask the breeders who'd rather breed sport dogs than a more difficult and uncertain to train and attain civil dog. I like civil dogs because they being threat driven they stand down upon neutralization of the perceived threat. I also like Mr. Curry and his dogs and have no issue with most of what he said.|
by deacon on 07 November 2011 - 03:01
|Great post Hans! I have worked / trained PSDs now 30 years and all my partners were GSDs. The malinois is an overated hype! The amount of handlers taken to the ER, ones that will not out, or stand off when a subject surrenders is phenominal. Breaking and engaging the quarry sometimes the handler during the search are just a few of the problems I have dealt with training this breed over the years on a continuous basis. I'm stopping here before I start a riot! LMAO|
by Slamdunc on 07 November 2011 - 04:19
If you have seen the Seal Team dogs, it is kind of hard to argue with the abilities of a good Malinois.
by Abhi on 07 November 2011 - 13:28
|A lot stands true in this article it is in fact a mirror image of the current scenerio faced by the GSD. Twenty years ago almost all the PD's in the world owned Gsd's. It is an univerally known that the malinois are steadily replacing the GSD worldwide including Germany as they are more trainable and adaptable. |
I was a bit surprised with Jantie's retort, there is nothing inedible to cause diarrhea contained in the article, you yourself sometimes go overboard about the simple truth that it is the present shape that has caused the decline of the rear end especially the hip joint of the GSD. Your statistics itself depict the real status which states about 60% of all showline litters are trash and cannot be bred from.
Mr Raiser has always correctly emphasized about the need to go back to the former shape and built of the GSD idealized by Herr Stephanitz, temperamental issues are paramount since as reasoned by many on this very database, present a picture which illustrates that showline GSD's are losing the trainability aspect, bitework sucks.
Silbersee this was not expected from you.
by Prager on 07 November 2011 - 17:29
| I also think that the Malinois can be thanked. It sure got my thinking going about what GSD have become.|
As far as SEAL dogs. SEAL teams need extreme dogs. There are extreme GSDs too . However in 90% of situations extreme dogs are less beneficial to performance as a service dog then level headed versatile dog.
GSD should not be extreme dog, but it should be levelheaded versatile dog. However in last few decades that versatility is put on back burner in favor of high prey.
I believe breeders of GSDs need to go back to the drawing board and if they do good work then GSD is going to be a better dog then ever. Nothing is lost yet.
Below for illustration of Police Malis and GSD in AZ. I would like to publish results of recent K9 trials in AZ Fair. You will see that there are many good GSD. I like to toot my horn and I will say that 5 younger dogs from DOC and 1 MCSO dogwere provided by me. Some are Malinois and some are GSDs and the best one was symbolically my Mal - Shep mix Daro. Good dog is a good dog.
Not all PDs from AZ were represented and thus the amount of mals : GSD ratio is not really representative but it is stil interesting sto look at it.
by Prager on 07 November 2011 - 17:31
by Prager on 07 November 2011 - 17:43
And the winners are:
2nd place - Sean Watson & K9 Colt Mal Mohave County SO
3rd place - Tony Fernandez & K9 Ranger Mal Avondale PD
1st place - Patrick Ohearn & K9 Brix CZ GSD AZ DOC
2nd place - Armando Navarette & K9 Daro Mal/Shep AZ DOC
3rd place - Wayne Kudis & K9 Ajis GSD AZ DOC
1st place - Sean Watson & K9 Colt Mal Mohave County SO
2nd place - Jarrot Tevault & K9 Sinbad Mal Tolleson PD
3rd place - Scott Armstrong & K9 Dino Mal AZ DPS
Armando Navarette & K9 Daro Mal/GSD AZ DOCPrager Hans