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by Nikos on 30 September 2011 - 01:16 |
| Slam, what do you think of what jinipo is bringing in this country? And van den heuvel? |
by Pirates Lair on 30 September 2011 - 01:30 |
| A true “Alpha Dog” is rare and should not be mistaken for a dog that bullies or dominates weaker dogs. An alpha dog will challenge you every day and requires a very skillful handler and trainer. JMO Kim |
Pirates Lair by KellyJ on 30 September 2011 - 01:50 |
Jim, Does Boomers breeder have a website? |
KellyJ by lzaichenko on 30 September 2011 - 02:21 |
| KellyJ, not that I'm aware of. The best way to contact Jody is by phone (she also lives in NY), or I'm sure through Deb. |
lzaichenko by Jenni78 on 30 September 2011 - 02:22 |
| Again, I agree with Kim. I think that is where the disagreement is coming in. There are lots of dogs w/dominant tendencies. Heck, they're predators; if you let them, they will dominate you. Simple fact. However, a TRUE alpha, I agree, is more rare. I think most people have "pushy betas" and mistake them for alphas. I bred one dog like Kim describes...all day, every day challenge. Took several months to find a proper handler. I have only known a couple like this- the other kind are a dime a dozen. |
Jenni78 by darylehret on 30 September 2011 - 03:00 |
| A confident alpha with no insecurities doesn't need to be independently stubborn, and can still be a cooperative dog with it's handler. |
darylehret by Slamdunc on 30 September 2011 - 03:29 |
Kelly, Debbie's website is:
If you PM me I will give you Jody's email, she may have a liiter now. |
Slamdunc by Jenni78 on 30 September 2011 - 04:20 |
| Daryl, sure, but typically some bonding/respect-garnering is in order. "Challenge" doesn't necessarily mean challenging the handler in a confrontational or aggressive way. |
by VomMarischal on 30 September 2011 - 05:08 |
| "Yoschi threw dogs that were on the unpredictable side... " Oh silly me. I forgot to read the INVISIBLE word "some." |
by Nikos on 30 September 2011 - 11:10 |
| I agree Daryl, but my questions were directed to the type of dog that is too confident and aggressive because he is genetically alpha; you describe a nice dog that wants to work for the human, an recognizes a human as alpha, and will never question who the master is |
by Nikos on 30 September 2011 - 11:14 |
| Von, Didn't intend my comments to be upsetting and trigger sarcasm from you; you've come across a nice dog with a lo of yoschi, but yoschi still throws some crazy stuff that if mixed in certain ways may result in a potentially "dangerous" dogs |
by Nikos on 30 September 2011 - 11:22 |
| Heck, ellute, Eros, both with yoschi in the 2nd gen. Marischal |
by darylehret on 30 September 2011 - 11:36 |
| Nikos, I have in the past owned the kind of dog do you have been describing. Since then, I have personally become in favor of the dog with pack drive, and see NO advantage that a dog without pack drive can offer. To me, that's the only difference I see in what you're describing. A dog that does not want leadership is NOT a better dog. |
by Jenni78 on 30 September 2011 - 13:56 |
| Nikos, I agree with Daryl. Not only that, but dominance or alpha status in a pack, imo, is a bit different than dominance over a human handler. Dogs know we are not dogs. I much prefer a biddable dog, and I do think you can have both. I still disagree that what you're saying a dominant dog is would be a positive trait. While some take more work than others to get to a point where they want to work for you, a dog who doesn't have some natural inclination to that is pretty near useless to me. JMO. The dog you describe doesn't seem terribly balanced, and while it might be an "impressive" animal, I question its usefulness in any form, as I have seen dogs as you describe, and I think they're quite flawed. |
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