German Shepherd Dog > News Update of WHAT HAPPENED TO Athos vom haus Sevens and Vinetta von Karthago. Are they alive? (342 replies)
by VomMarischal on 23 August 2011 - 01:20
|Yeah but one side lies more than the other. LOL.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 23 August 2011 - 05:08
Read comments on Athos' pedigree
Akc papers were blocked by Veronica many months ago..SHE holds all papers on Athos and Vinetta.
Unpaid for dogs do not get the papers released.
by judron55 on 23 August 2011 - 12:26
|the first thing that I was thinking in this whole mess was, how fucking dumb are these people|
I think this speaks volumes....1 dog yes...multiple dogs...sheesh...unbelieveable!
by Donnerstorm on 24 August 2011 - 07:03
|Have to say Judron, I've noticed this in several threads but I have to compliment you on our eloquence!!!!!|
by yellowrose of Texas on 24 August 2011 - 07:54
Would you like to MAKE CLEAR who you are calling F Dumb people?
I do not THINK their is any thing ELOQUENT about anything you said.
It just shows again , that people on here cannot have a curteous and adult conversation without having a little respect for everyone involved no matter whose side you take or who you CONCEIVE to be right or wrong.
bsolutely NONE of you have one iota of an idea to what extent the people involved along with the DOGS have endured many months of terrific hate, lies, cover ups and violation of laws galore to get to this thread.
NO reason to start calling people names, period. NONE of
you are walking in these breeders shoes nor do you know all the facts not printed yet
..It should be a learning experience , as that is why it was posted. SO no one else makes the same mistake and so people will not spread rumours and have facts as they happen.
This is absolutely not the place for JOKES of the subjects either.
by bazza on 24 August 2011 - 10:54
|If some people bothered to read ALL comments I think they will find Judron is quoting the words of another poster, he was simply agreeing.|
by judron55 on 24 August 2011 - 13:43
Yellow....bazza was right...it was a cut and paste...and I totally agree...period. Sorry, but my respect ran out long ago concerning this topic. Poor dogs...
by steve1 on 24 August 2011 - 14:04
Yes, the person who holds the papers is then clearly the owner otherwise they would not have the papers in the first place and if they gave the dogs with the papers then TOUGH,
So if the original owner still has the Papers, then get on a bloody plane make prior arrangements to fly the Dog, Dogs back once they have been picked up,
You do not advertise that you are coming you just turn up and take the Dogs,
End of story no talking once you get there and if anyone gets rough then deal out double but take the dogs to me it is simple
Just one thing else carry the Dogs Papers with you just in case of the Police being called you then have proof who owns them,
The difference is does the real Owner have the Guts to do it if not then give them up if you have to get other people to do your work for you then to me you do not really have any real feelings for the dogs because in a scenario like this the one holding them would pay very dearly if they were mine and not in cash, However i would never allow it to happen in the first place
I re read your post above If this Veronica person and Bhall have the Two dogs official papers then why have they not gone and picked there dogs up as i said above, What the hell is stopping them from doing it unless they are scared of repercussions to themselves, and what the hell does that matter if there is so long as they get there dogs back,
A great amount of folk to day are good talkers but they lack Back bone when it comes down to really proving anything that is rightfully theres
by Donnerstorm on 24 August 2011 - 14:10
|Well aparantly sarcasm is lost on some people. I agree Steve that is what I have said all along. When dealing with things in life especially situations you don't like you have 2 options complain about it or do something and change it. I maybe a little more confrontational than most but yeah if it was my dog, I would have been out there and I would have gotten my dog. Take a copy of the contract, papers etc to the local LE just to inform them if they get a call this is what you are doing, if you feel you must. But like most problems in life the solution is not that difficult. As my grandfather used to say the measure of how bad you want something is what are you willing to do to get it.|
by steve1 on 24 August 2011 - 14:17
Our two posts went out the same time. I fully agree go and get what is rightfully yours or shut up and give up simple as that all the talk in the world will not change this only a bit of Backbone from the Owners and up todate that is sadly lacking
by Mystere on 24 August 2011 - 17:25
|During the last General Board Meeting of USCA last year, I made a statement that I believe resonated with the entire room: "Some of the people in this sport don't have the courage they expect their dogs to have."|
by gucci on 24 August 2011 - 17:36
|I agree with the last several posts, and if it is not done, who is going to suffer for it, as always, the poor dogs...So Very Sad..Lida|
by steve1 on 24 August 2011 - 18:07
Well said, Talk is always cheap, always has been and always will be, There are times when we have to hold back on what we truly want to do in some circumstances.
But in the case of Animals who cannot speak or do anything for themselves in these situations it is then up to the real owner to act and show some courage in what they would expect from there dogs.
To many people on this board alone expect there dogs to protect them in any given situation.
Me; i am a little different i do not expect my Dogs to protect me at all. I bought them into my WORLD it is for me to protect them and that is what the real owners of these two Dogs should have done long ago,
Gone and got them back regardless of the consequences they may have to face in doing so.
In other words as Mystere says
SHOW SOME COURAGE but i will not hold my breath guessing that they will
by judron55 on 24 August 2011 - 18:09
|"Some of the people in this sport don't have the courage they expect their dogs to have."|
profound and accurate as usual!
by Bhall on 24 August 2011 - 19:16
|To be honest, you can't just go and take the dog. Even if you hold the papers and show them to the cops. IT DOES NOT MATTER! You will be arrested. This is a civil matter and that is what law enforcement will tell you.|
by VomMarischal on 24 August 2011 - 19:20
|Bhall, that's only true if you get caught. If you don't get caught in the act, then SHE would have to sue YOU to get the dog back. The second it's in your possession, you have possession and papers to make your own case. No LE agency is going to take the dog and give it back to her. They will tell HER it's a civil mater, at that point.|
by Bhall on 24 August 2011 - 19:34
|That is true and I understand that. However, what if someone does get caught? You will be charged with a felony.|
by VomMarischal on 24 August 2011 - 19:42
|Well, I'm not answering that in public LOL|
by steve1 on 24 August 2011 - 21:19
So you will be charged with a felony 'SO WHAT' You will have your Dogs papers and all will come out in the Open, But Lady you are thinking only of yourself not your Dog you profess to think so much about, That is just as expected because otherwise you would have done and got the Dog back by now,
and i tell you this if the dog was mine once the Dog is away from that useless object of a Woman who is holding it and it would be within seconds of me picking it up and passed on to a reliable person then who worries about being picked up by the Police the Dog is safe and no chance of them ever knowing where it is, then i would not care about spending a month or two behind Bars, But mark this that person that had the dog causing so much trouble would pay for it when i came out that would be guaranteed,
So as Mystere said Show a bit of Courage and do right by your Dog and do not give me any crap about breaking the law I wonder how far you and this Veronica Woman has taken it regarding getting a Lawyer onto it, I bet it has never got to one between you
As i said in above post Talk is cheap actions take a bit more than you have in you and that is not good for your dog.
There was and still is a motto we lived by years ago when we worked for HM and it still stands to this very day
'HE WHO DARES WINS' so have the courage to carry it out you may suprise yourself and you will be proud afterwards despite what may happen and that will not last for ever and you will have your dog back with you
by Betty on 24 August 2011 - 21:31
|As you go through life there is a time or two that you just make sure someone has bail money for you.|