German Shepherd Dog > Gotta ask!! (20 replies)
by Donnerstorm on 25 July 2011 - 02:09
|Granted I haven't been on the database very long, I am not however new by any means to working line shepherds, have been in that for 13 yrs. The question I have to ask is why is it that nobody on here can seem to get along?? See A lot of ppl running down everybody else's dogs, because they may not have the pedigree you preferr. Running down dogs because 3 yrs after it was sold there was an issue so it couldn't possibly have been trained right?! We all know pedigree's are nice but they do NOT always make the working dog, not every dog out of that pedigree will work, and sometimes you get a dynamo out of a hodgepodge of bloodlines. Sometimes a breeder does a great job breeding and training a dog and the oaf that buys it dosen't keep it up, lets the dog sit and then complains 3 yrs later when magically the dog says yep I'm not doing that I have never heard that word before in my life I promise. Anyone here can complain about other's dogs, but in the end the proof is in the dog you put out. So instead of slamming everybody else, especially being rude to ppl new to the breed if you have an issue with someone's dog, or training style why don't you just shut up and put your dog up against thiers and see whose works better.|
by Ruger1 on 25 July 2011 - 02:16
Yeah...Remember the movie "Grease"...they raced for pink slips...lol
Sounds resonable to me...: )
by darylehret on 25 July 2011 - 02:27
|Shouldn't this be placed in the All Breeds forum? No, wait. Put it in the All-Forums-Everywhere-On-All-Topics section.|
This is the story of the german shepherd breed, and like any good story, there needs to be conflict. Boring dialog leads to a lack of inspiration, lack of passion, and lack of development. If you're not passionate about this breed, then do what you've been doing, and stay SHUT UP. But you're right, and now that we all realize how petty we are, we can all shake hands and be friends! AAAhaaahaaha. ;-) Welcome, FINALLY to the forum! :-)
by Donnerstorm on 25 July 2011 - 03:09
|I don't mind people being passionate about the breed. I am very passionate about the breed, debates are fine but so are differences in opinions. There is a huge difference in being passionate and just being an ass. Running down everyone else's dog etc. You equivilating people being rude and nasty to being passionate is like saying there's nothing wrong with the school yard bully he's just REALLY passionate.|
by darylehret on 25 July 2011 - 04:03
|See? It's just as much about self discovery as well! How would you know what you're really made of, if you've never been pushed around in your lifetime? Let's not upset the order of the universe now, by trying to attain some altruistic sense of belief. People flock to this central hub in order to reap from this breed, and belittle others for their own sense of self worth.|
by Donnerstorm on 25 July 2011 - 04:59
|There in lies the problem... Those that have to belittle others to validate their own self worth, typically don't have much self worth. When we all started out we all asked the "stupid" question got the answer and went DOUH!! when we got the answer because we should have known. We have all those first couple of dogs got one that we swore we could get to work, he had the right pedigree, and the only work the dog wanted to do was gaurd your couch. When we started our first couple of dynamo dogs became dynamos probably in spite of us and our mistakes not because of us. We learned along the way. So when the "babies" to this breed come on by all means let them pay their dues and make the same mistakes we did. That said I do have serious issues with people that have no idea what they are doing breeding this breed. For god sakes look what happened to the american line shepherds. Or the people who are capitalizing on genetic faults and breeding to purposely get "panda" shepherds (which by the way I assume the commands are in chinesse for). I have issues with people that don't train, or work these dogs that try and breed them, get dogs that are wayyy to much dog for them and continue to breed them, and in turn placing the wrong dog in the wrong environment and family. But as I said pedigrees are great and yes they are a great way to determine if a dog might have the ability to be a great working dog. But those big name bloodlines didn't start that way, they started with a dog with a hodgepodge pedigree, but had the qualities needed to work, temperment, structure, desire, drive, courage etc and someone that worked their butt off to get it to where it was. Like others I will look at the bloodlines but I'm a little more interested in a "type" of dog. And if I don't care for your dog, or the bloodlines you do, that's fine.|
by Ace952 on 25 July 2011 - 05:11
Welcome to PDB.
Place isn't for softies. There isn't any hand holding here.
by darylehret on 25 July 2011 - 05:42
|Well, I also find it in poor taste to criticize any specific dog, but I do generalize about what I dislike. Sometimes, a dog can be looked on unfavorably because of who it's owner is, or what level of training it's received, and I think that's unfair. People, on the other hand, I would not extend the same mercy towards, if I thought they deserved it. The dogs themselves are generally more likeable, I'd say.|
by Donnerstorm on 25 July 2011 - 13:52
|There should be debates on that you are correct, there are definately people that should not own these dogs let alone breed one. However when the new people come on and yes some are idiots, but everyonce in awhile I see someone ask something that is a pertitnent question if you are thinking about this breed and it sparks a huge name calling marathon. Now Ace I'm sorry you think there's no hand holding here because if you have been in this breed very long at all someone held yours! Wether it was you grew up with parents who were into the breed and they held your hand and taught you what you know, or it was one of the first reputable breeders or trainers you worked with that taught you what you know, or it was the author of those books you read. And if that is your attitude that all new ppl are unworthy of hand holding every once in a while, please do explain how you expect this breed to continue to flouirish and survive?? For that to happen new people are going to have to become interested, and would you rather them be knowledgable and responsible owners that love this breed as much as we do, or someone who couldn't get any help ended up ruining a dog. Those of us that already love this breed won't be around forever, so maybe you might want to recommend a book they could read, or say find a trainer, tell them how to do the research they need to do instead of just saying well no hand holding here.|
by gucci on 25 July 2011 - 14:00
|Great posts Donnerstorm. Lida|
by LadyFrost on 25 July 2011 - 14:58
|Donner..i think everyone comes here with good intention to right the wrong, to stand up for the weak, etc...but eventually one way or another someone will push the right buttons and you will get sucked in into a debate on a personal level hence insulting that persons dog or ability to work that dog...i think will power to walk away and not always have the last word is the real test of a grounded person and their character.|
Donner you obviously have great intentions...and this is a good start for a new poster..lets see what happens 2-3 months from now... :)
by GSD Admin on 25 July 2011 - 15:01
|Excellent posts Donnerstorm.|
by VonIsengard on 25 July 2011 - 16:09
|Donner, I've been on this board a long time. My user info says 2003, but I actually had another username prior to that that I lost the PW for and the linked email account was closed.|
It used to be a very small board of working dog people but over the years more and more users signed up, which means more of every type of poster. It is not just the PDB in which you need thick skin, but the dog world as a whole. You have to learn to weed out the good from the bad, take what you can learn from people you feel you can trust, ignore the people who are belittling and nasty and let what they say roll off your back. And you will misjudge people both ways, it's inevitable.
I know personally many lurkers on this board. And some of the most judgemental, rude people here likely have no idea what people are really saying about them away from this board due to their actions here, and there are SO many people who would never post here because of a handful of pirahnas.
Of course, some hide their identity so they will never feel the ramifications of what they say to others, but that can't be helped. I tend to ignore those who fiercely guard their real identity, if you can't own what you say, it says a little something about what you say.
Now I am of a mind, as long as someone if following an established set of rules and is meeting the requirements to ensue they are breeding dogs of good health, sound body and mind, I have no problem with them whatsoever. There is room for more than one type, physically and mentally, in this breed. You can have dogs that are sound, healthy, and have working ability (varying degrees of it!) and still uphold the GSD. There are some types I prefer over others, sure, but I respect them all. It blows my mind that we have people here who breed to the same standard, follow the same set of rules, but because they don't personally like the other person's type of dog, they have a zero respect policy. The real enemy to the breed are those who would spit on a working standard, refuse to health test, lie to their buyers, dump their retired bitches in shelters, or don't care approriately for their dogs. We have problems with our organizations, our judges, health problems popping up right and left, our entire SV system is tenuous and at the mercy of those who would use it dishonestly, and here we are, bitching about the same old crap we'll never see eye to eye on.
Donner, the thing is, many people like you who will respect someone else's right to like a different type, eventually stop coming here because they can't stand sifting through all the vitriol to find something useful. However, some of us are stubborn and opinionated and maybe a bit nuts, so we keep coming back. And good things do come of it. This board has found homes for dogs in dire need, warned potential victims of crooked people, raised money to pay for dogs' medical care, supported rescues, helped people find the right breeder or trainer for them, and more.
You won't change anyone. You just have to learn navigate around them if you want to glean anything useful.
by LadyFrost on 25 July 2011 - 17:48
I second that!
by Ruger1 on 25 July 2011 - 18:57
Yes, I agree with VonIsengard and LF...But pink slips /papers would be fun too...: )
by oso on 25 July 2011 - 19:02
|And remember there are plenty of normal, helpful people on the forum too...best just to ignore the offensive posts.|
by Donnerstorm on 25 July 2011 - 19:12
|Well Ruger it would be fun, since it's dogs though we have to get a group to put in pink collars, you can't race for pink slips without the pink ladies :) . Lady I'm sure there will be someone on here that tries and pushes my buttons of that I have no doubt that is life and that is just unfortunately the nature of some ppl. Which would be why I prefer the company of dogs over most people. However they will find like everyone else that tries you don't get very far. If you respond when someone pushes your buttons, you have just shown them where to push. I have always figured that they are pushing your buttons to get a reaction so why would you give them what they want. It is really hard to argue with no reaction. At the risk of sounding crass there are A LOT of ppl I tend to think are idiots and have to wonder how they don't drown in the shower, but I have also learned that it doesn't really accomplish much to tell an idiot they are an idiot, they won't get it.|
by LadyFrost on 25 July 2011 - 19:22
|ahhh shacks! |
by lovejags on 26 July 2011 - 03:25
|OH, LET'S JUST ALL GET ALONG, HOLD HANDS, KISS AND MAKE UP!!! SHARE THE LOVE!|
by troublelinx on 26 July 2011 - 21:37
All in all, I see more people receiving good information than useless negative feedback. Yes there are some "a"holes, or people who say things behind the safety of their keyboards, but nothing can be done about that. Overall their are a good number of people who are very knowledable (sp?) and helpful.
I think this is one of those is the glass half empty or half full type of things.