German Shepherd Dog > Leicester GSD Club (60 replies)
by Lennard on 29 July 2011 - 08:12
A social unit of people, systematically structured and managed to meet a need or to pursue collective goals on a continuing basis. All organizations have a management structure that determines relationships between functions and positions, and subdivides and delegates roles, responsibilities, and authority to carry out defined tasks. Organizations are open systems in that they affect and are affected by the environment beyond their boundaries.
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 08:55
|Someone else will explain - I get fed up informing the uninformed who like to then criticise from a position of genuine ignorance. And that is genuinely arrogant of them. For example the British Sieger Committee, for it was them who decided to "include" off lead baiting in the Adult Classes.|
Clue: Which major canine organisations would agree to off lead gaiting in a class of GSD, at an Event where the dogs have no requirement to have "certified qualificational proof" that they can be fully controlled while gaiting off the lead?
by Doppelganger on 29 July 2011 - 10:38
|You mean like working a dog 'heel free' at fast pace at an obedience show? Why the Kennel Club of course! No qualifications needed to prove you can do it before you take part.|
by Doppelganger on 29 July 2011 - 10:41
|Off lead BAITING? Now thats a good idea.|
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 10:50
|The clue in your frivolous comment is "obedience" - you consistently fail to grasp the full picture and continually illustrate your lack of knowledge. Like others on this board, you can hide your identification but not your lack of knowledge (ignorance).|
by Doppelganger on 29 July 2011 - 10:57
|There was nothing frivolous in my comment - it is a fact that anyone can enter an 'obedience' show whether or not their dog is 'obedient' and therefore having no guarantee that it is under control, which fact the KC are obviously happy with. Even at a low level heel free is a component of classes and although the dogs work individually for heel work they are also off lead for stays which are conducted in groups. I also think it is very sad that a dog with the intelligence of a GSD cannot be trained to work off lead - as above its is a basic requirement of all but the lowest obedience classes be they GSD's or Chihuahuas.|
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 13:35
|Dopple: you compare apples & pears - such a waste of space! |
by Lennard on 29 July 2011 - 14:16
|From my previous post:- "ORGANISATIONS"|
sorry Videx, what "organisations" and report them for what??
You go to the Sieger Show in Germany, some of lead gaiting ends up with the Dog escaping and running free, who "reports" them I wonder??
Explain youself more please
You say "For example the British Sieger Committee" that's only one, what other ORGANISATIONS would be interested??
Just curious as to what you are implying and to what effect these reports would have
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 15:14
|A few people have contacted me about this who know. They along with me are observing with interest.|
by Lennard on 29 July 2011 - 15:23
|either that was very Cryptic or you don't really know??|
Come on you started it, what other Orginisations would be interested and why??
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 16:05
|you are barking up the wrong tree - you cannot provoke me - remember I don't do popular - figure it out. ha ha|
by Abby Normal on 29 July 2011 - 21:55
|I don't kow if this is a case of creeping paranoia or what.|
I am sure that a good proportion of the dogs are used to off lead gaiting already. For those that aren't, then take up the offer of training in off lead gaiting and get your dogs used to it.
Doppeganger said: I also think it is very sad that a dog with the intelligence of a GSD cannot be trained to work off lead
Well of course we all know the GSD can be trained to work off lead, very easily - it just requires owner/handler time and effort to be put into training - and practise. It is a Sieger Show, I think it is realistic to expect that the dogs entered into it to be able to perform to the highest standard. The British Sieger committee have clearly decided it is time to raise the bar. What surprises me is the number of people whose initial reaction is that that they must 'opt' out because of OLG, rather than take up the challenge and start training their dogs instead.
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 22:17
|In Germany it is only the WORKING CLASSES which do "off lead gaiting" - now think why that is the case???|
by Sue Worley on 29 July 2011 - 22:26
|Do we presume that that is only because there are no adult classes......so we have them here and it has been agreed to make them more challenging, what is the problem with that ?????|
by Abby Normal on 29 July 2011 - 22:37
Sue's reply makes sense. In the UK we ARE doing things differently to Germany, and classes have been introduced so that people who do not/cannot work their dogs can have inclusion.
by Doppelganger on 29 July 2011 - 23:10
|Or seem to be suggesting that some people might be stupid enough to enter their dog without it having been trained to do it thus ending in dogs running amok.|
by Videx on 30 July 2011 - 00:08
|You are completely off the Mark on this one. Far too many people assume. I will leave this thread now and watch developments. You are boring me.|
by missbeeb on 30 July 2011 - 07:28
Re: the introduction of off lead gaiting... for me, it's not the introduction that's the problem but the time scale! It should have been made very public, (12 month ago) thereby allowing one and all to train for it. Teaching your dog to heel at any pace is no massive undertaking or challenge, however, since few of us handle our own dogs, one must hope to live near their handler... or at least A handler to practise with. Off lead with someone else... my dog's coming back to me, no doubt!
There are many of us living many, many miles from our handlers... this is not Germany, we don't have Club houses conveniently dotted around with willing trainers and helpers, indeed we have very few. If we're going to go the "whole hog", we have to have a much better infrastructure, unless it's to be just for a very few?
Aside from the geographical issues, as I understand it, the introduction of Adult Classes was to be inclusive... everyone would have a reason to enter, to be there. The introduction of off lead gaiting, without any market research (asking those that spend their time and money entering these shows) and so near to the show itself is wrong imo and it makes it exclusive. If "they" want to up the ante... maybe include a proper working test for the Breed Survey?
I shall be at the Sieger either way... if the off lead gaiting is retained, I just won't be entering but I'll still enjoy watching.
by Abby Normal on 30 July 2011 - 07:49
I can see the issues with the location of handlers etc. and the timescale. Even more I can see the issue of dogs hotfooting it back to their owners LOL, I empathise with that one, I REALLY do.
In respect of the training, that doesn't have to be done with the handler initially. Train the activity and concept at home and practice it with him yourself so that he understands the activity, and then practice with the handler as often as you can. On the day you'll just have to hide :) The amount of notice given does seem a bit tight, although not impossible if the owner trains the dog themselves.
My understanding from what was said about a working test is that it would be too much too soon (if ever) for the GSD events in the UK.
Perhaps it should have been deferred until 2012 to give everyone the opportunity to train thoroughly for it, but I don't think it is wrong to raise the bar. Perhaps this will encourage local clubs to offer a wider range of activiities in the longer term.
by missbeeb on 30 July 2011 - 07:57
Abnor... having worked Shepherds up to "B" in Ob... I am well aware of how .
What's your interest here? Really????