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by Hundmutter on 25 August 2021 - 03:08

Surely the 'better / best' of breeders consistently produce great dogs, and their offspring, over time [ not just the progeny of one dog, whether paired with one bitch or many] ? Dogs which have proven results, even if not formal Qualifications, depending on how they are worked. But they would also be those who gave good honest services to their customers. They would, ideally, produce dogs that are close enough to the German Shepherd Dog Standard to at least consistently look like GSDs ? Don't see any of this on this thred.

by ValK on 25 August 2021 - 10:08

well, not necessarily one quality should obstruct another. dog can have both. and the past GSDs of DDR and even Czechoslovakia proved this.

actually i did say in my first response on topic - best breeder are breeder with whom i have common view on the breed and to whom i can trust.
on this board plenty of topics dedicated to bad/dishonest breeders but none about good and honest.
GSCat did list few and i agree that Hans, albeit sometimes lacking politeness in communication but nevertheless makes impression to be honest man. Christina Kaiser has very nice and honest personality and i wouldn't have problem to deal with her if she could supply type of dog to my liking.
Jinopo isn't kennel per se. it's umbrella created by Jiri Novotny and Jiri Pokorny (thus name JiNoPo) with intention to provide base for cooperation between Czech and Slovak breeders in organized way. these dogs can come from different breeders and not necessarily from kennels Jirkova Dvora or Jipome.

b.t.w. anyone know what for dog's title VS?

by duke1965 on 26 August 2021 - 02:08

valk, possible, but on selecting dogs for work and breeding, workingqualities come before looks, see what happened with showlines who put looks before workingqualities

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 26 August 2021 - 08:08

So for me, when it comes to successful breeders in the US. I'd say "vom Sitz von der Hose/Olgameister" handsdown. Their breeding program is very successful and a lot of their dogs compete at national level (Deb also went to the worlds with one of the dogs she has bred herself), live as pets, service dogs, search and rescue dogs, police dogs, etc.

I've had the privilege to observe the program for quite literally the last decade and bred to one of their dogs myself.

by ValK on 27 August 2021 - 17:08

well duke, if you anyway got involved into breeding why do not strive for perfection?
you're in Europe with everything and everyone near. there not hard to get in touch and visit breeders who has decently bred to an old standard GSDs. at least you're in more better position than if you'll live on this side of pond.

already way too many breeders who's produces half-baked GS dogs. in fact seems like majority of them does believe would be enough for dog to have only standing up ears to be considered a german shepherd.

by duke1965 on 28 August 2021 - 01:08

Valk, you couldnot be more wrong, more good material in USA and china, the mighty dollar rips away many good dogs that are taken out of the breeding pool here, multiple times I selected a male for breeding, only to find the male was sold by the time the female came in heat

and please do tell me how the plan to breed for both looks and workingqualities both worked out for the showlines

so if i breed its workingqualities before looks


by charlie319 on 28 August 2021 - 03:08

Well, I'm back. Work is work, and last I checked it was GERMAN SHEPHERD. Herding titles are the essence of this dog. It tests the skills for which it was bred... They are not called German sleeve tuggers, or trackers. Hell... We have bloodhound for that. The tests for SchH1 are not real world as they are heavily choreographed. And are considered just a test to gauge aptitude. It is no accident that Malis have displaced our preferred breed from the LE and military market. The real world is not about ball drive.

Preferences are just that. A good breeder should be able to compete in herding, SAR, Working championships as well as BSZS. But, to a hammer, everything seems to be a nail. Today, what is more important for the breed club in Germany; the working championship of the BSZS?

The business side of this serves the demands of the buying public. It affected Show Lines, has affected working lines, and today, some of the harder dogs from your working strain of choice are not what they were a decade or two ago...

Much like the guy that buys a military Humvee to drive around town, I see a lot of people buying aggressive, ball crazy dog types as a means to stroke their egos. There will always be folks like that.

I'm familiar with Hans of Alpine. Very good breeder and better person always willing to add value with his opinion rather than what one sees all too frequently here. Over the years, many show lines' members of this forum have ceded the field to the more recent arrivals. That does not mean that opinions have been swayed. It just means that dialogue has been squelched and the prize is an echo chamber of delusion.


by Hundmutter on 28 August 2021 - 03:08

"To a hammer, everything seems to be a nail". Great, that; can I nick it, please ?

by duke1965 on 28 August 2021 - 08:08

charlie, are you kidding me, "the world is not about balldrive ??fricking LOLOL, and in the same sentence , no wonder malis replaced our breed, LOL again,

if there is any breed desired for balldrive its a malinois

by ValK on 28 August 2021 - 12:08

duke you're right. some breeders can't resist tempt by money. but some sell their good dogs with intention to spread genes beyond their location. you cannot judge all by one measure.
but it takes time and effort to prove/demonstrate dog's worthiness, including dog's ability to be potent to recreate itself in descendants.
in any case majority of breed's worthy dogs around the world are imported from Europe. how they being used after arriving... well, absence of reversed import of their offspring back to Europe says it all.
i don't know why you try to turn my thoughts as advocacy for dog's looks only? as i said - good breeder would strive for all qualities which in past bring this breed to fame. it's a breed's ability to be utilized in different fields of service for human, mental capacity which provides good trainability, athletism in build which is not separable from dog's health and endurance.
if one want to have shrinked alternative of GSD, there are other breeds including malis.
it's seems like among fans of working line dogs we do have discrepancy - all loves the GSDs with muscular strong build, big head with powerful jaws, heavy thick bones and... very few put any effort to achieve such in breeding.
by paraphrasing you - what good in working dog if that dog during attack can be easily smashed to ground/wall/tree or can't last extensive physical activity longer than few minutes needed for IPO field exercise.


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