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by Gustav on 11 September 2019 - 13:09

I mean the WHOLE purpose of the stick is to demonstrate that the dog has sufficient hardness to represent the working aspect of the breed standard. If the stick does not make contact, to me personally, the whole concept becomes a farce.

by old shatterhand on 11 September 2019 - 13:09

Like I said many times before. You will see many dogs with much better temperament outside the VA group. They may have worse conformation, but they have better temperament, and I would breed to those dogs instead to any from VA group. Saying this We have seen only 3 VA dogs so far, let see rest of them ,and than make some conclusion.
Irina Kuznetsova

by Irina Kuznetsova on 11 September 2019 - 14:09

VA4  1025  Cyrus vom Osterberger-Land 

Hans Karl  St. Ingbert  D


by apple on 11 September 2019 - 15:09

I just noticed that on the attack out of the blind, the helpers are actually popping back a bit after they comes out of the blind making sure the they are tapping into the dog's prey by moving away from the dog. On the video above you could see the disappointment in the decoy when he shakes his head. Farce is the correct term.

by old shatterhand on 11 September 2019 - 15:09

Never even consider breeding to Cyrus . Very poor protection, no expression. Very disappointed.

Where are dogs like Chacco, Fred, Ober, Marlo, and some others ?

by Centurian on 11 September 2019 - 15:09

Emoryg You are kind and you try to point out the postive .... I can only respect you for that veiw point.

Nevertheless , let us also keep in the forefront of our thoughts and minds : These VA GS are Sch 3 ....and they are supposed to be THE BEST representation of the GS in Show Lines and THE BEST representatives of the WORLD'S SL GS . So I lean to the viewes of Old Shat' , Apple and Gustav, in the way these dogs represent the GS as a Canine. Yes their structure is superb , but IMOp that alone does not make the dog . BOTH Structure and Performance go hand in hand and IMOp are equally significant to the total make up of any animal . Again I qualify my comments : Repeatedly I have had some of the best wl and sl the breed and the world could offer . So for me this is critque as opposed it being critism . I personally have nothing to gripe about . . And that is what these people cannot get through their biased , self serving philosophies through the decades. . IMOp , I think the word farce is accurate and quite descriptive. And I cannot begin to express how deeply , quite deeply, this saddens me having had GSs my whole entire life , going back to the late 60's to the present .

Goodness gracious I have had and I still have GS that can take bamboo hits ..and for a dog to chase a guy running away out of a blind... well even half baked dogs chase people and cars .. just saying...
Irina Kuznetsova

by Irina Kuznetsova on 11 September 2019 - 15:09

VA5  1038  Henko vom Holtkämper Hof 

Jörg Niedergassel  Bielefeld  D


by apple on 11 September 2019 - 16:09

My comments have no reflection on Ms. Kusnetsova and she is generous in sharing the videos and has the perfect right to enjoy and participate in the German show dog world. Centurion, you mentioned Emoryg being kind, but you are too kind in saying the VA dogs have superb structure. IMO, the conformation ideal of the high lines interferes with function, and with all the dogs being black and red, they are cookie cutter dogs. Here is a link that speaks well to what many have been saying here.

http://www.angelplace.net/usca/MartinShepherd.htm


by Centurian on 11 September 2019 - 16:09

Apple I did not exactly have intention to imply that the VA have superb structure as an overall canine structure A GS shopuld have . Rather my meaning was meant to convey that they have superb structure for what they were bred to do : and that would be while trotting , to cover as much ground , as fast as they can with the most proficient and efficient movement as well as with the lesat amount of effor that enders the greatest trotting endurance. . I do not claim that in and of itself is for a total utliitarian dog that is the best overall , structure to have or the structure to have to best peform many other tasks. . But the angulation and structure for their intended purposes is superb . That is to say , they need not have the structure of a greyhound that is most proficient for speed in running nor should they have the other end of the spectrum . I agree with your view in general about structure , because the last task I ever wanted to put my SL GSs through was jumping continuously the palisade wall in Ring Sports - I felt that the structure for that function was way off for that purpose and in doing so was way to much stress on the rear.
emoryg

by emoryg on 11 September 2019 - 16:09

My, my! Look at Henko go. It's amazing what good helper work can do. His training has come along way since he tried swallowing that chicken bone in the rain two years ago.

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