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by BlackMalinois on 19 November 2018 - 09:11


Every dog has a nose - Yes but not every dog is good enough for tracking,LE, detection why? because not every dog has enough natural  drives to stay on track ... many dogs don,t motivated enough about 5 minutes
when they lose the scent and give up and MANY dog have very bad nerves !!!

Do we need only Mali or GSD ? NO there are many many other breeds and /dogs suitable

And there is a big different between sport tracking than tracking in the real world




by Jessejones on 19 November 2018 - 17:11

Of course it takes more than a nose to do detection work.
No one with half a brain on here would say that every dog can do it. (Edit: Not meant to be snarky🤭, ...)

That is why learning how to SYSTEMATICALLY TEST these dogs IN PROPER FASHION, with the PROPER KNOWLEDGE TO DO SO, in order to see which have the talent and temperament to stay in working mode, are socially neutral, and then to TRAIN these selected paramount.

Perhaps others have tried shelters, and had less success than they wished. That is easy to say.... but do we know how knowledgeable those people were?
How well they were funded?
How usefull their connections were?
How much effort they put into it...
or was it all just a fly by night, lets just see....type of endeavor? We don‘t know (Or, I should say, I don‘t know).

There are tons of jobs where the dog needs to be non-threatening. And more are needed all the time. Not talking LE narcaotcs/ tracking - dual purpose dogs.

The airports are of full of 30 pound little „runt“ dogs, sniffing your suitcase, that are supremely suited to do this work and take their job seriously.

What about bomb/weapon sniffing at concert venues? Big office buildings? Disney world? Schools? Train stations....All these places that have become targets in sick minds.

We might not want our schools or airports to look like an old DDR border did, with GSD’s who’s job it look threatening and to run and pull down people caught in no-mans land.
Just sayin....


by Jessejones on 19 November 2018 - 18:11

Apropos non-threatening dogs....

This is also why the whites are becoming more popular in Europe for SAR and service dogs and other non threatening venues.....they are german shepherds, but in disguise. Every white is actually a colored GSD, sable, Black/Tan, red/black, bi, or black,  underneath the white fur that only masks the true color. You can do a DNA to find out what color your white actually has.

The whites look less threatening, everyone wants to pet them....but they still think like, can be trained like, and are no different than, a colored GSD, as they are GSDs.

old archive pic:

An image

PS: when I say „threatening“...I mean for the average Citizen. People not used to GSDs in their life every day.


by ValK on 20 November 2018 - 17:11

valk, we are talking today, not 40 years back, and there is a big difference between soft and overagressive, many people seem to have problem to recognize the difference between handleragressive and civil agression,

sure, but needs in suitable dogs did not diminish. to be honest i don't know what situation was 40-30 years ago in the West but looks like today the offer did shrink significantly.
and you should realize - not everything new (breeds, training methods) mean to be better.
civil aggression alone in the dog, as seems majority of people perceive it, doesn't mean much in regard of suitability of the dog.

We might not want our schools or airports to look like an old DDR border did, with GSD’s who’s job it look threatening and to run and pull down people caught in no-mans land.

Jesse, you should worry not. this type of dogs already were compelled into extinction.


by Hundmutter on 20 November 2018 - 19:11

Some people travelling through airport and harbour or border Customs still 'see' that image as soon as they see a Shepherd ! Which is why so many scenting dogs doing that work are breeds not seen as threatening: labs, beagles, spaniels etc etc. I honestly don't know whether being a white GSD makes life any simpler - certainly now I have acquired one, no one seems terribly threatened by him ? (When they even recognise what he is Wink Smile) But then, most people have not seemed to feel threatened when meeting any of my house-dog GSDs. Maybe because I am obvously in control of them ?  Of course, there are / always will be people who see a GSD and panic ...

by ValK on 22 November 2018 - 03:11

i think Jessi has a good point. to some degree white colored GSD does looks less intimidating than dark one.
that bring memory about my mentor. he told about dogs, selected for personal protection back then.
prior and during the WWII there were SS department, responsible for providing security to top officials of Reich. team from that department was constantly browsing kennels for suitable dogs. beside usual suitability traits there were also conditions - dogs must be above average build and black in color.


by Hundmutter on 22 November 2018 - 08:11

An all white or all black GSD does of course look more 'wolf like' to the untrained eye, anyway, than a saddle-marked black & gold does. Even sables do not quite get that same response, because so many wildlife films have shown us all the colour range in wild wolves, with the grey ones looking enough substantially different from our 'grey' dogs ...

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