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by Mackenzie on 10 September 2018 - 15:09

Willy v Kuckuksland is the new Sieger.

On researching the bloodlines for the VA males I find that all of then have line(s) behind them going back on the linebreeding back to Bax v Luisenstrasse and beyond. Also, many females today carry the same lines with close inbreeding possible because every owner would l like a mating with a VA male. Is this another major problem in the making ? Where are the SV and Lothar Quoll taking the breed for the future?


by old shatterhand on 10 September 2018 - 17:09

Like every previous Breed Warden, to the Bank.

by susie on 10 September 2018 - 19:09

Like always it's up to the single breeders - nobody is forced to breed to VA dogs, and nobody is forced to buy pups out of VA dogs...

It's a free world, and everybody has to decide if he wants to breed or buy a good dog or the offspring of "famous" dogs.

by duke1965 on 10 September 2018 - 19:09

wake up susie, no choice, get with the program or elseWink Smile


by susie on 10 September 2018 - 20:09

Never did, never will 😀

by Gustav on 10 September 2018 - 20:09


by Mackenzie on 10 September 2018 - 21:09

It is quite right that all breeders will do exactly as they wish. If the breed continues with these lines then the gene pool will narrow even further from where it stands now. Also, will the traits that the breed are known for will be lost with no chance of recovery and, what about the health issues?

The SV could take steps to help breeders and to the Breed as a whole,for example, change the rules so that litters who are inbred on these lines will not be registered where it arise in the first three generations. This would be a tough one for Breeders but what is more important, The Breed or the Breeders.

It would also be helpful if Lothar Quoll would give a detailed report explaining his reasoning for continuing with the continuation of these lines and why so many of the VA dogs have the same lines. Where is the opening for new blood? The majority of the VA females carry the same lines.


by Mackenzie on 22 September 2018 - 05:09

This thread would appear to have run it’s course but I would like to make one further comment.

Not all breeders will have access to VA males for one reason or another but they may find it easier to get a puppy at an inflated cost. Not all of the offspring from VA males are of top quality and usefulness to the breed as been seen many times before over the years. Where will they go to next when the time comes to breed on.

The VA group of males are meant to bring something more than just looking pretty through their bloodlines. With all of the VA group carrying the same bloodlines does nothing to benefit the breed. In every group of these top males there should be the introduction of new blood to the group that is compatible but different from the main lines. For example, lines carrying the benefit of sound character, workability and correct construction and demonstration of stamina. Our breed is still a Working Breed and should remain so.

There is just too much of the same blood to take the breed forward for more than just money.


by Gustav on 22 September 2018 - 13:09

Susie is right about people having the right to breed to the dog they want and they are not forced to breed to VA dogs, but what I find disconcerting is, what about the integrity of the VA dogs and thus the judges that put them up?
I’m always hearing that the SV is the right way to go in terms of breeding and requisites for breeding.....and the VA dogs are supposed to represent the nation’s best.....yet I hear that no one is forced to breed to VA dogs....
I mean you can’t say the way is superior for the breed, but the result of national show is wink wink.....but of course I’m just an American and as one poster constantly points out, we do or understand things differently.🤗

by Mackenzie on 22 September 2018 - 15:09

Gustav - The SV system of assessing the dogs is still the best in the World. The problem is that thanks to certain individuals who are no longer with us the SV has drifted away from the principles that were present from the beginnings until the early nineties. This is why the breed has changed so rapidly since this time and, because of the close inbreeding on certain animals, not only the gene pool has been reduced but many traits have been lost.

The answers and changes rest with the SV and more so in the Judges.


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