Global warming. Thread started by Joanro. - Page 6

In an untouched rain forest, lol, come on. You are going to have to do much better. lol, you both are grasping for straws. I will say it again, isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Do you both wear seat belts? When you go out do you both take your whittle guns, in case you meet up with a bad hombre? Would either of you play Russian roulette? These questions only involve you guys and maybe a few others and not the planet our species and many others need to survive. I am not willing to sit on my hands, sorry, it is way to important for our survival and if you want to believe in what you believe that is okay, just quit trying to blow smoke up my ass. This planet is warming proven by facts and whether you believe or not is really in the big picture not important because many of us do believe and we plan on saving our earth for future generations, the best we can. No one at first believed our precious businesses would poison us with chemicals but alas they have and still do to this day.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally

So if 2016 was the warmest on record it stands to reason that a half degree cooler is not that big a deal but nice try with your junk science or better your total lack of understanding of the bigger picture. I will give you both credit for trying but will minus a few points for your lack of understanding of the bigger picture. The danger isn't in the shift of monies but instead the danger is in the people who can't or won't see the bigger picture.

 

Thought I would share this as some want us to believe wind turbines are these huge bird killers. If you seriously think this as some would try and tell you, you better give me your car and keep your cats indoors. Or you can put your head in the sand and think you know better than science and facts, I know you will say alterative facts, lol, but most of those aren't in fact a fact, because opinions aren't facts.

My conclusions from the above graph:

We have some real evil, superkiller cats here in the good ol' US of A.
Our buildings are taller and more plentiful than Canadian buildings.
More Canadian geese are choosing to stay in the USA, full time. They are not flying but walking to cross the road to get to the other side.
Most birds can't see power lines at high speeds of flying whether they are in the USA or Canada.
There are more communication towers in the USA than Canada.
There are more powerlines in the USA than Canada.
USA chemical companies are better at hiding facts about Agricultural chemical use than Canada.
USA and Canadian wind farm bird death estimates are inconclusive for lack of data and differing variables.

Bee said "More Canadian geese are choosing to stay in the USA, full time. They are not flying but walking to cross the road to get to the other side".


Actually Bee, the geese can't return to Canada because the laws have changed and you can't enter the country without a "passport", they don't have one. LOL

And by the way, how the HELL are you?

No, there is data Bee, I have a biologist friend how spent a few summers counting dead birds around nearby windmills so there is data to back up some of the conclusions. But you are right in a sense because all the numbers are estimates and nothing more but it gives a general idea of how ludicrous using bird deaths as a rallying cry to hate on wind farms is. The government subsidizes all kinds of things, including farmers. I don't hate on farmers because they get welfare but I sure see, hear and read a lot of people hating on the poor. BTW, businesses are a huge taker of of government welfare, I don't hate on them for it, I just think it is a bit of hypocrisy when I read things people say about the poor.

You keep saying words like "believe". I does not matter of what you believe. This is not a religion at least not for me. This about science which produces observable and measurable corectly clected data = scientific facts. Also, as I have said any times, no one is disputing that climate changes. The climate changes from day one of earth existence. The hoax perpetrated on masses is insisting that such warming trend is caused only by humans where humans are NOTHING on the scale of comparison of the influence of sun's flares and periodical and scientifically observable temp fluctuations. And there are other influences; like earth axis wobble and on and on.
As far as the "pristine rain forest untouched forest" you have mentioned I have already explained that the forest is not so untoutched. I have stated reasonable scientific explanation in the last post and all you can now say is "lol com on!. I'll say it one more time the El Yunque rainforest in Puerto Rico is tiny it encompasses 28 000 acres. As I have said I have been there 3 x and I am quite interested in the destruction of plants and of insects and on the food chain subsequent animals who eat them. FYI it is quite obvious that the insects do not know that they suppose to stay within man designed borders. They go in and out. And while out they get killed by GMO plants and insecticides. Also the outside influence of pollution is overlapping into the rainforest itself. The disappearance of insect is easily explained by the influence of microwave radiation and light pollution, GMO and herbicides and pesticides. To use Global warming for explanation is scientifically unfounded. The rainforest in Puerto Rico is there for millions of years and temps during that period went up and down much more than current minuscule fluctuation of a fraction of degree thus even if there is a global warming or cooling or whatever you want to call it today it would not have sudden disastrous effect on insects in El Yunque.
As far as "junk science" and "missing of "greater picture" goes I will say that junk science is to take temps from of last 60 years and say that that is a proof of a man-made global warming especially when we know that prior to that there were much higher temperatures. So it you who does not understand the bigger picture. On top of it to use the probably fake NASA records is questionable in the first place and to use few decades as a scale is totally laughable because in a greater scheme of things temp changes within such short period of time do not draw any conclusions of man-made global warming.
In the end, I will say this. I have shown hard facts and scientific argument and you are not disputing them. all you can say "LOL com on" in attempt to ridicule what have been said then you just keep repeating your man-made global warming mantra based provably corrupt facts of government agencies whose existence depends on the MAN MADE global warming hoax which plays well into the pockets of the politicians and other hoaxters via carbon tax. .

Here i will respond to another deception which you are a victim of. The wind turbine killing birds.
The comparison of wind turbines killing birds to cats killing birds is not a science because the statistics compare cats of the entire USA to a handful of windmills. I can not call this anything but scientific BS. When I was a geologist and I would produce such "science" in my work i would be fired on the spot. One more question
is being begged. How does anybody knows how many birds get killed by cats in USA and Canada? Oh! It is a computer model which provides us such information based on some estimates. I rest my case.

Prager, then why are we still in a warming trend when there has been no solar flares in over a year?? Oh I get it, your NASA records are fine to try and prove your point but mine are fake. Yeah, you are right Prager an ant is gonna travel 14,000 acres because it doesn't know to stay in a small area, near its home nest. That little guy is gonna hitchhike across vast acres so he can get to those pesticides. Man hasn't polluted this planet? We haven't done things that have caused damage? Our businesses haven't dumped all sorts of dangerous things in our water so it isn't a real stretch to believe that what we have done is changing climate, it really isn't that far fetched at all. You just have to believe. Oh and by the way just because I believe something doesn't mean I worship it. People used to believe the earth was round, they didn't make it a religion. 2 of the largest rain events in record-able history have happened in the last few years, 500 year floods happen more often than once every 500 years, why? You talk record-able facts but ignore those facts because it doesn't fit your beliefs. Not, IMO, someone who should be in your field as you seem to have preconceived heavily ingrained biases.

Those are estimates and nothing more, they aren't an exact science, no one is claiming such except you by trying to claim that windmills are killing birds in huge numbers. I am just showing you estimates of what really kills birds. Cars kill way more birds than windmills so maybe we shouldn't drive them. Surely that would help with pollution and global warming, kills 2 birds with one stone, huh? Yes, pun was intended.

Q: Prager, then why are we still in a warming trend when there has been no solar flares in over a year??

A: there is a lag.

 

Ant? Here you go ridiculing again. If you remember article published by you said :"A study last year showed a 76 percent decrease in flying insects in the past few decades " , "n 2014, an international team of biologists estimated that, in the past 35 years, the abundance of invertebrates such as beetles and bees had decreased by 45 percent. Thus I was talking about bees not ants. Beatles( most)  and bees fly.In El Yunque, they were saying:"Fewer birds flitted overhead. The butterflies, once abundant, had all but vanished."  In any case most insects fly and your article to which I was responding was talking about flying insects like butterflies and I was talking about microwave pollution which will spill into any environment and may affect bees and even ants because ants orient themselves similar way like bees being related.  

Q Man hasn't polluted this planet? We haven't done things that have caused damage?

A: I am not disputing pollution I am disputing a significance of MAN MADE global warming.

Q People used to believe the earth was round, they didn't make it a religion.

A:No they did not . Tthey did not BELIEVE that the earth was round THEY HAD SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

Q: 2 of the largest rain events in record-able history have happened in the last few years, 500 year floods happen more often than once every 500 years, why?

A: first of all I am pretty sure that this statement is not even a truth. It is on the record that biggest floods in recorded history happened in China between 1887 1931 and 1938

 FYI, because 500 events happen quite often more than 1 x per 500 years. That does not disprove or prove anything. There may be million years of no 500 years floods and then you can have many of them in 10 years. You can not draw by your presented conclusion from it!!!!! It is about averages and averages established through multiple times of the let say 500 period of time. It takes thousands and even millions of years to establish such statistics and to say that what you have said completely misrepresents such scientific concept.  Unfortunately, the concept of 500 - or 1000 years and so of a natural event is totally misunderstood by most people. People who do not understand this statistical concept think, that for example, 500 year flood happens 1 x per 500 years. That is not so! There is a million years involved in this. Lack of knowledge is used in the support of misrepresenting ( hoax, con...) of man-made global warming 

 

FYISome may question how do we know areas and extent of floods millions of years ago. That is a matter of geological research of size and type of deposits. Type of deposits means the size of the "rock" in the sediment

 BTW:  that you making the lite of the importance of windmill killing hundreds of thousands of birds - some are endangered species - just in tiny areas is surprising.