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by Hundmutter on 08 May 2018 - 04:05

Maybe, twenty years ago, when he wrote the article, the author made it less vague and disjointed, and more readable, in his original German. It is still an Opinion Piece, rather than The Final Word (even if one agrees with some or all of his opinions). My point remains that if you want to refer an article to new owners in the breed, you ought to look for a more basic, non-controversial or at least better argued one, that does not make claims that others may not always agree with, (those sort of explanations are best suited to the more experienced), and either in the language of people you are promoting the article to, or at least a better translation.
Can't really see anyone recommending some of the posts written on PDB, however well translated into German FROM English, and whoever they are written by, to German newbies.

by Gustav on 08 May 2018 - 10:05

if I am writing an article, truthfully I cannot be concerned with items that newbies will not be pleased with....I am more concerned with accuracy and truth. Not being mean spirited, but newbies are probably in the least position to Judge information that has any depth to it. I guess I am old fashioned, but you learn from the schoolmaster, not from schoolmates.

by Centurian on 08 May 2018 - 11:05

Susie Thank you for bringing to light that article was written 20 tears ago .. I did not realize that fact.
Susie 20 to 15 years ago , I used to have conversations with people on this topic, experienced people at that . My position was that the GS should get back to a unified breed . I stated at that time the genetics where there in SL and WL and that the possibility for that to occur existed. 15 years a go I had a SL X WL with high/ super V structure and the most wonderful working traits/attributes one would want in a GS . The High End, big time kennel owners , serious Germans saw this dog and wanted this dog !! But in my life I never ever sold a dog that was once mine.
In the USA , many people gave me hell for putting forth this idea. The belittled me .. and scoffed at me. They claimed that this was not possible . For years I preached unification. So , all that I could say : to each their own ideas. Now I would think anyone that knows and has a LOT of experience with the SL can see that over the decades the genetics have become so diluted . When I write that the GS can be a considered a subset, this is not simply my opinion . I would never put forth an idea like this because I simply feel this way . Susie I want you and every one else to realize that even the most important breeders in the world , in Europe , not only Germany, that I in my experience I interact with , now have this sentiment : to late to merge SL & WL .

So an article written 20 years ago is not worth talking about as applicable to current day . We need facts and figures for current day to discuss current day GS. So , knowing this is 20 years past ... now even I better understand what I wrote . No wonder I was not impressed with the article.

by Gustav on 08 May 2018 - 15:05

Centurion, practically speaking, I agree with you about merging the two. Theoretically, I still believe it can be reversed if the mindset and priorities are there. But, I realize it’s not going to happen, any time soon.

by Centurian on 08 May 2018 - 16:05

Gustav .. I agree with you .. how I wish that could be so .. And I hope that you are right and those that have convinced me that it is to late are incorrect :-) . But this is hard for me to debate  now . I try to plug that it can happen . I talk to the most informed , but it is hard for to have a rebuttal . For they are the ones that give lectures on the GS and about breeding. They are*** THE most knowledgeable people in the world in this respect , I have no leg to stand on in this topic now if they say time has past..


by susie on 08 May 2018 - 17:05

Hundmutter, this article was not written for any newbies, but for German SV members, and he wrote his opinion, the personal opinion of a very experienced guy within German dogsport, and he explained his opinion by using simple statistics of BZS and BSP, nothing vague, his conclusions debatable, but easy to understand.


by Hundmutter on 09 May 2018 - 18:05

Susie: I appreciate that info, but that just confirms what I said at the outset. No reflection on Kyle, but even if this piece had been extremely well-written and translated (which I do not think it is) it is still not something to recommend to all & sundry, or especially to new people in the breed; it demands too much 'inside knowledge' for beginners to make much sense of it. Especially when it is, in parts, vague in the extreme. The arguments do not 'flow'; I have not said whether IMO the arguments are correct, or not; that was never my intention. If one is making a point of recommending articles - particularly opinionated articles - to anyone else, it is only sensible IMO to recommend articles that are well written and easy to follow. And, notwithstanding who they are written BY. This author may well be the 'bees knees' ... but yer average newbie isn't going to know that, or much about why they should 'listen' to him, even if it is made clear who he is and how experienced he is.


by susie on 09 May 2018 - 19:05

So any post on this board has to be " understandable " by any newbies?
Won't be, can't be - otherwise we need to talk about potty training, dog parks, and destroy Ing Furniere only.
I don't know why you call Walter's post "vague" - the statistics are simple and easy to follow?!? They are facts.


by Hundmutter on 10 May 2018 - 05:05

Not posts ON THE BOARD, no; Susie, read what Kyle actually said in his OP.

Sorry but I found the whole article disjointed and confusing, hard to follow. If I do that, given decades in GSDs, and years reading on this board, what is a beginner meant to make of it ?

by Gustav on 10 May 2018 - 11:05

Hundmutter, I don’t get how you as an experienced person in the breed, can speak for the newbies in the breed. What is to stop the newbie from doing further research🤔, anyway, if the information is mostly factual then in time if they stay with the breed they will understand the breed better. How often have we had an opinion on here based on likes or misinformation, become refuted when the facts were this good for the newbie?

Furthermore, the article was Not written in the evening newspaper but in the GERMAN SHEPHERD magazine....I would think that IS the place to write such an really have me confused with this newbie stuff.


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