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by Hundmutter on 04 March 2018 - 06:03

Val, those still have the responsibilities to produce good health, sound joints etc, even if (unfortunately) they don't care about temperament, trainability, 'drives', etc. Whether in GSDs or elsewhere - the OP's question was not limited to only one breed. They also still have responsibility to their customers, even if we don't approve of what those customers are looking for (!), for well-raised stock, honestly produced and papered, honestly tested and pair-selected to avoid as many pitfalls as possible. Centurian is right. Yogi is right.

by Centurian on 04 March 2018 - 12:03

I would like to add one comment.
In general ... many people don't realize how intelligently , how involved on a very serious basis and in a methodically way that breeding an animal or GS is / or should be . Before anyone delves into any vocation or endeavor they need to know everything that vocation entails. If you want to breed , or anyone else.. then you should make it your business to be an apprentice or a shadow to those that are the greatest breeders. [ note : I didn't say most financially successful ]-- then you maybe will be in a position to start to breed. Breeding should not be something that anyone starts out doing.. those are the people that usually know cr***.
I can't comment on other breeds as I am no expert on every breed dog. But I am going to make a truthful statement , that I know that I will get hell for : Many people , even a good number of those that call themselves professional breeders of the GS have no idea [ in a nice way of writing ]what they are doing in breeding , but I write more emphatically , many have no idea what the hell they are doing ! And the Proof of this if someone wants to debate me is to see what has happened over the decades either working line or show line to the GS as a breed. The gS has turned primarily into a commercialized commodity , that compared to what they used to be .. one could , in a smart as*** way , say this has almost come to the point as a ' designer dog' .
So Eddie... breeding is incredible , incredible undertaking... if you do it correctly that is ...

by khalirey on 04 March 2018 - 23:03

First off I'd like to comment on the amazing information and advice that is being offered here. It is really a pleasure to read in-depth answers to a question that actually has punctuation and correct spelling. LOL!

I have a question that fall under the same category. I have good knowledge of the horse industry in North America, mainly in the Quarter Horse breed and the reining discipline. Although I don't compete or own any horses anymore I still attend show and have my thumb on the pulse of the industry. If I were to own a good mare and wanted to breed to a stallion, I could easily locate the stallion on the internet and find out everything there is to know about stud fees, shipped semen and so on. However in the GSD show industry I find it difficult to even locate owners let alone stud fees and terms of breeding. Am I missing something? I am a paid subscriber to Working-Dog and it can help in locating owners but fees are not that available I am finding.

Thanks in advance for your insight.

by ValK on 05 March 2018 - 03:03

could be interesting reading for breeders and those who thinking to become such.

short journey through GSD breed establishment, progression, regression and peeks behind the curtain of official policies.



by Hundmutter on 05 March 2018 - 07:03

Khalirey, I know how you feel. Here in the UK it used to be a regular thing that pre-printed Show Catalogues had to list full details of exhibitors, so if you were at a Show, or reading a Show Report/Critique afterwards, and could get a copy of the catalogue, and saw a dog you liked the look of, you had the name and address of the owner and often a phone number, so you could just contact them and ask whether their bitch was in whelp or if their dog was at Stud (& if so, @ what stud fee).

The breeding 'world' generally had a 'normal' range of fees that didn't vary much from kennel to kennel and everyone knew what it was likely to be that year. Sometimes owners put adverts in magazines etc too. But then, everybody started getting websites; and, mostly with the advent of 'social media', the trolls moved in. So much easier to send nasty stuff from behind an anonymous keyboard than to have a two-way telephone conversation in which you might identify yourself. But the reaction from a lot of people was they no longer wanted their details published openly, and catalogues have therefore stopped printing address details. Not really sure that was an entirely logical move.

The Kennel Club publishes a quarterly update on litter Registrations, but that has never as far as I can remember contained anything other than the names of breeder/owners registering pups. Of course the 'plus' of the Internet is that, these days, you can probably find people once you have a name ! 

Otherwise - and I guess this applies elsewhere in the world - you can get or trace names if you ask around enough, at Clubs etc.

by Mfundo on 05 March 2018 - 16:03

I always tell folks... don't consider breeding. Get into dogsport, learn the sport, enjoy it, educate yourself, shadow, learn... and
learn some more about what makes a super specimen... If and when you happen to have a potential candidate of what meets the breed standard, and also have narrowed down what it is that you're trying to achieve, and you're ready - then go for it. Anything less than than, thenit's just two dogs that produced a puppy.


by yogidog on 05 March 2018 - 17:03

You won't learn all you want to know in dog sports because there is very little honesty and also in sports very few will let u know the real ins and outs. Because one day you may compete against them. So mfundo your theory is flawed any one that is in the dog world long enough and spent time on the filed with sports compedters will most certainly know this

by susie on 05 March 2018 - 17:03

Yogi, only by training and competing you are able to learn about your own dogs ( and the dogs of others you train with ). The more you get involved, the more you will learn.
Mfundo is absolutely right.

Nowhere in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Czechoslowakia, Austria, Denmark, or Italy someone wakes up one morning and decides to buy a female GSD because he suddenly wants to become a breeder.
This only happens in countries without breeding restrictions, and without clubs, countries like the USA, India, or East Europe...

Why? There is no "culture" of dogsport, and people are uneducated. For potential breeders the haven on earth...

Looks like a GSD, has to be a GSD...

by susie on 05 March 2018 - 17:03

Forgot to mention: further on potential buyers are way better educated - they would never pay good money for unproven dogs.

by yogidog on 05 March 2018 - 17:03

Yes Susie I agree the more u get in volved the more u learn. But to find someone you can't trust in dog sports is very hard. Most in dog sports are in it fir them selfs.

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