by mrdarcy on 08 December 2017 - 18:12
by Western Rider on 08 December 2017 - 19:12
Sorry have not been here, have had no power due to winds and fires in area, and helping friends evacuate.
JonRob this was not/nor has been ever posted in and Ad If it was it would be removed.
So, Western Rider, an ad saying "absolutely no African-American handlers and Native American handlers must be evaluated by me personally to be considered" is also ok?
Ethinic background would in no way make you unable to handle a dog.
I sell horses and many times post who is able to buy a horse due to the horses abilities and my not wanting to be sued because I sold to someone I KNEW could not handle the animal.
Love State of Califoria
by JonRob on 08 December 2017 - 20:12
Posting an ad like this is about as smart as those bozos who videotape themselves while they burglarize a house and then post the video on facebook--and then wonder how the police managed to arrest them. Bragging in a public forum that you break the law is unbelievably stupid no matter how much your fellow bigots cheer you on. But like I said before bigots are real short on brains.
Western Rider, you can't imagine how relieved I am to hear that race discrimination is not ok on PDB but discrimination against disabled people and women is. That's sarcasm in case you don't get it.
With the exception of Hundmutter, whose posts are generally quite intelligent, the chunks are floating to the top of the cesspool--as usual.
by beetree on 08 December 2017 - 21:12
Your lawyer friend needs to bone up on the laws of Iceland in order to be persuasive on this site. Those are the binding rules here. See TOS.
by JonRob on 08 December 2017 - 21:12
Beetree, the guy is selling dogs in the US. Not Iceland. So the laws of the US apply to him. Doesn't matter where PDB is based. Your idea that you do not have to follow US laws if you post a website ad bragging that you discriminate as long as the website isn't based in the US is the funniest thing I've heard in months. Thanks for a good laugh.
Western Rider: "Ethinic background would in no way make you unable to handle a dog."
But according to bigots it does because they think African-Americans are too stupid to train dogs.
Take a deep breath and try these out:
Some African-Americans are too stupid to train dogs.
Some African-Americans are smart enough to train dogs.
Some whites are too stupid to train dogs.
Some whites are smart enough to train dogs.
Now comes the really really hard stuff. Ready for it?
Some disabled people cannot handle a tough dog.
Some disabled people can handle a tough dog.
Some non-disabled people cannot handle a tough dog.
Some non-disabled people can handle a tough dog.
Some women cannot handle a tough dog.
Some women can handle a tough dog.
Some men cannot handle a tough dog.
Some men can handle a tough dog.
Can you grasp these ideas or are they still too difficult for you?
If the seller really wants the right home for the dog, all he had to do was say in the ad something like: "This dog is very hard and very difficult to handle. Please do not waste my time and yours by contacting me about this dog if you are not absolutely sure that you can handle a dog like this. I will personally evaluate the ability to handle this dog for all persons who are seriously interested in him."
Also, Western Rider, can you climb Mt. Kilimanjaro? Probably not. But a disabled guy with no arms and legs did. And with no prostheses too.
Amazing what some disabled folks--and women--can do.
You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting discrimination against him and other disabled people.
by beetree on 08 December 2017 - 22:12
Hey, I am just telling you what it says in the disclaimer of the TOS. I would presume Oli had lawyers tell him what to put in the TOS of his site because from what I understand, the biggest reason for the mods is because he doesn't like the bother of lawsuits!
By registering with PDB, all members specifically agree to hold PDB and its owners, directors, officers, contractors, employees, agents, heirs, assigns, and volunteers harmless for any material posted on PDB forums and pedigree listings, and further specifically agree that the laws of Iceland shall govern the resolution of any legal claim or dispute involving PDB as a party or witness thereto, and that they consent to the exclusive personal and subject matter jurisdiction of the courts of Iceland for any such legal claim or dispute.
by JonRob on 08 December 2017 - 22:12
Beetree, the US government and potential disabled and/or female buyers of this guy's dog, who he brags that he will discriminate against, have not given up their right to sue his ass off. And government agencies cannot, by US law, buy dogs from him anymore.
Facebook has similar TOS. So according to you, this would mean that the police cannot arrest bozos who post a video of themselves burglarizing a house on Facebook. Or if they post it on PDB since only the laws of Iceland apply as soon as they post the video on PDB.
The idea that a website's TOS knock out the laws of the US is yet another great laugh. Thanks!
Sometimes those bobbing chunks in the cesspool are really funny.
by beetree on 08 December 2017 - 22:12
The funny thing is, the phone number is a CT area code! I should give him a call just for giggles....
I could have sworn FB was a US company, so not sure how you are making a correlation? It makes sense that a US company would be bound by US litigation laws but not so from a company not from the US. That seems fairly uncomplicted layman's logic to me. Admittedly, I am not a solicitor of any sort!
OK... I looked it up. From FB:
- You will resolve any claim, cause of action or dispute (claim) you have with us arising out of or relating to this Statement or Facebook exclusively in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California or a state court located in San Mateo County, and you agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of such courts for the purpose of litigating all such claims. The laws of the State of California will govern this Statement, as well as any claim that might arise between you and us, without regard to conflict of law provisions.
- If anyone brings a claim against us related to your actions, content or information on Facebook, you will indemnify and hold us harmless from and against all damages, losses, and expenses of any kind (including reasonable legal fees and costs) related to such claim. Although we provide rules for user conduct, we do not control or direct users' actions on Facebook and are not responsible for the content or information users transmit or share on Facebook. We are not responsible for any offensive, inappropriate, obscene, unlawful or otherwise objectionable content or information you may encounter on Facebook. We are not responsible for the conduct, whether online or offline, of any user of Facebook.
by JonRob on 08 December 2017 - 22:12
by beetree on 08 December 2017 - 23:12
Good luck with your lawsuit! You won't explain because you can't. You are making a Killimanjaro Mountain out of a molehill.
The advert writer probably is a male chauvinist pig. But it isn't against the law to be a chauvinist pig. You can't make him sell his dog to your specifications. His poor word choice might mean he thinks women are too weak for handling his dog or maybe the dog has been imprinted to hate women. I have seen plenty of rescues excluding one sex or another because of the dog's aggressive temperament exhibited towards one sex or another. As far as the US LEO or military buyer's standards, that is their perogative to exclude him from their selection per their own criteria and rules.
Can you imagine actually trying to take this to court? Maybe on Judge Judy? (Does Iceland have their own Judge Judy? Hmmm?)
If you really want to be effective in getting this advertisement cleaned up with gender neutral language you need to appeal to the Owner's sense of fairness and how he hopes his site to be perceived, internationally. Railing about laws, lawyers and lawsuits and throwing around turds of speech is just acting like a pompass jackass. In all likelihood Oli would be sympathetic to any real damage or offense suffered and provide an edit, laws or no laws.
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