by Baerenfangs Erbe on 06 December 2017 - 08:12
And with this, Bye Felicia!
by yogidog on 06 December 2017 - 09:12
by duke1965 on 06 December 2017 - 09:12
by BlackMalinois on 06 December 2017 - 10:12
Not impresed all this videos here all are conditioning work,see no any real agression or any real civil work and most of all PREY.......
Duke is working and breeding with malinois now the guy who is always is critical about malinois LOL
I,m out of here some people don,t get it or don,t understand what real civil is. with any suprise............wasting my time
by duke1965 on 06 December 2017 - 11:12
by apple on 06 December 2017 - 12:12
The Mals you posted look nice and don't look like defensive/sharp/ reactive dogs to me. They look to be very prey driven and I have no doubt they will bite for real. So I believe a dog can be civil and be working in prey, and of course, drives overlap.They are the type of dog I am talking about that the Dutch prefer and are working in fight and not defense. I couldn't see the video of BE to comment. If it was Athos, I thought the earlier videos showed him as a nice dog. Not as driven as the Mals Duke posted, but he is not a Mal. Athos seemed confident and commtted to the bite. Different dogs and breeds with different drive packages.
by Gustav on 06 December 2017 - 12:12
What is definition of insanity??? That why I see no value arguing this, those who train dogs for enduse in terms discussed usually understand subject matter. I agree that balance is very important, and I also agree that channeling drives is good, but I also agree that prey without real fight is useless in work and IS not balanced; as is too much defense with little prey. To me the ideal GS has to have the ability to go from play to serious! A dog that is so defensive that he cannot work without everything being a threat, is just as useless as a dog that is so prey driven that it’s obsession with sleeve prevents it from recognizing a threat, I have seen too many GS recently with very high prey, that when asked to deal with heights, surfaces, water, escalators,tight spaces, dark buildings, etc and that prey becomes so reduced that the dog is ineffective. Again we need balance! The dog has to have that overwhelming confidence to handle a situation in drive and out of drive. A civil dog needs to have that “ it” whether it is high prey or high defense, and as the pro title people always say( which I agree) if your training doesn’t test for it you start losing it.
by apple on 06 December 2017 - 13:12
by duke1965 on 06 December 2017 - 14:12
apple, the test videos dont show conflict situations,
and naturally, civil dogs are not idiots, the problems they faced with Gro for example is that the third man in KNPV couldnot grab him by the collar to reposition on the suit, but the dog is absolutely social for his own and a great policedog as we speak,
the young one is same, will bite for real and is super for owner and his wife, but not overly social to strangers, cannot be taken out of the car or kennel by just everybody.
by apple on 06 December 2017 - 14:12
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